kwiksilvar
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Vivtoian fans think they own the whole bloody AFl. I hope they know it is a national comp and us interstate teams especially eagles and dockers have to travle so bloody much just to get to Vic so we can thrash ur crapass teams.
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who exactly are west coast and fremantle playing next week??
come over and thrash our arses???? this year everyone went to perth to do the arse thrashing.
interstate clubs have been very well looked after by the afl, dont worry about that.
they have been given draft picks, money and just about anything else they wanted yet the only non-vic club to make the finals was brisbane who have merged with a victorian club.
so out of 8 finalists we have half a interstate club
your joking arent you??
jeas they are great drugs they are serving over in WA
stop writing this shit and leave the football talk to people who know a bit about the game because obviously you dont
come over and thrash our arses???? this year everyone went to perth to do the arse thrashing.
interstate clubs have been very well looked after by the afl, dont worry about that.
they have been given draft picks, money and just about anything else they wanted yet the only non-vic club to make the finals was brisbane who have merged with a victorian club.
so out of 8 finalists we have half a interstate club
your joking arent you??
jeas they are great drugs they are serving over in WA
stop writing this shit and leave the football talk to people who know a bit about the game because obviously you dont
Amazing now that Brisbane made the finals, they are only "half an interstate club"! How many times this year have we all seen the arguements about how Brisbane have done this and that and Fitzroy don't count to them anymore, they are a Qld club, not a merged club with a Vic team etc etc etc.
Just another nice case 'we change it to suit ourselves' I think!
Just another nice case 'we change it to suit ourselves' I think!
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Jeez Walshy, get your hand off it!
The national competition has been fantastic for the AFL, and teams outside of Victoria are not interstate teams they are non-Victorian sides.
I hate parochial small minded dickheads.
The national competition has been fantastic for the AFL, and teams outside of Victoria are not interstate teams they are non-Victorian sides.
I hate parochial small minded dickheads.
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a) Australia is a large continent... to have a national league there is inevitably going to be quite an amount of traveling that has to be done
b) I'm sure most victorians are quite happy with having interstate teams involved given they know they need a national competition to maintain such a high level of quality, interest and revenue flow in their chosen sport
c) Brisbane is a Queensland club.. we merged with a victorian club and took with it the promise to keep the name and history alive in some form in the AFL but they day we merged Fitzroy became QLD based.. I'm sure you wouldn't insinuate Sydney are only half an interstate side.. or is it just because it's been longer than 5 years that it's now established that u give it credit as a NSW club.. if u suggest otherwise well... nothing needs to be said
d) Kwiksilvar or whatever ur name is... u might want to rephrase your rantings a little better... they sound liKe nothing more than cheap stabs at victorian clubs because ur disenfranchising season over west..
I'm proud to be a Brisbane supporter and proud to be an AFL fan and whatsmore I know most Victorians or South Australians or West Australians or anyone involved in AFL, with half a brain, would stand alongside me not because I support a team based in a state other than Victoria... but because I follow a great game and will acknowledge the performances of any club or player in the league equally.
Stop the bickering and whinging.. the AFL is the AFL and the best thing we can do is hope it remains a strong national competition and provides us with the spectacle we so love to watch for many years to come.
b) I'm sure most victorians are quite happy with having interstate teams involved given they know they need a national competition to maintain such a high level of quality, interest and revenue flow in their chosen sport
c) Brisbane is a Queensland club.. we merged with a victorian club and took with it the promise to keep the name and history alive in some form in the AFL but they day we merged Fitzroy became QLD based.. I'm sure you wouldn't insinuate Sydney are only half an interstate side.. or is it just because it's been longer than 5 years that it's now established that u give it credit as a NSW club.. if u suggest otherwise well... nothing needs to be said
d) Kwiksilvar or whatever ur name is... u might want to rephrase your rantings a little better... they sound liKe nothing more than cheap stabs at victorian clubs because ur disenfranchising season over west..
I'm proud to be a Brisbane supporter and proud to be an AFL fan and whatsmore I know most Victorians or South Australians or West Australians or anyone involved in AFL, with half a brain, would stand alongside me not because I support a team based in a state other than Victoria... but because I follow a great game and will acknowledge the performances of any club or player in the league equally.
Stop the bickering and whinging.. the AFL is the AFL and the best thing we can do is hope it remains a strong national competition and provides us with the spectacle we so love to watch for many years to come.
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Essendon will probably dominate the competition for the next six years, so to that small faction of supporters in WA etc who are bitter and twisted things are going to get worse.
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Roylion
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Napalm7Dh, some Victorian supporters of Brisbane might (and indeed do) argue, that the day Brisbane merged with Fitzroy, the Brisbane Lions became partially Victorian based and NOT just a Queensland club. Remember it a "merger", not a "takeover".
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Roylion: I'm not implying a taKeover... I'm saying that we have to be given the credit due as a Brisbane club... sure we have a victorian %age in our membership and they are just as important as the qld members but they are members of the BRISBANE lions.. while the lions are in brisbane they're a qld team... I don't say this out of disrespect for the tradition of the Fitzroy footy club.. there were things both sides agreed to when the side merged... Fitzroy became part of a qld based team.. and the Bears became the Lions. We are now a seperate entity unto ourselves and should be viewed as such.. not as a split team.
roylion,
just off the topic a bit (which is stupid anyway, so who cares)- I assume you were a fitzroy fan before the merge- how would you rate the way Brisbane has embraced the history, traditions etc etc of the roys, and do you go down and support the Lions when theyre in town, wearing say, your old fitzroy scarves, beanies etc etc ???
I heard that in brisbane they have all the old fiztroy memorabilia in a hall of fame of sorts (whether thats correct im not sure), and i thought that was a really good way to keep the old traditon alive.
any thoughts on that ????
cheers
PS- quiksilver- really, what is your beef with the Vivtoians ?????
just off the topic a bit (which is stupid anyway, so who cares)- I assume you were a fitzroy fan before the merge- how would you rate the way Brisbane has embraced the history, traditions etc etc of the roys, and do you go down and support the Lions when theyre in town, wearing say, your old fitzroy scarves, beanies etc etc ???
I heard that in brisbane they have all the old fiztroy memorabilia in a hall of fame of sorts (whether thats correct im not sure), and i thought that was a really good way to keep the old traditon alive.
any thoughts on that ????
cheers
PS- quiksilver- really, what is your beef with the Vivtoians ?????
Arch
Up here in the Lions Social Club at the Gabba, we have Honour Boards of all the Fitzroy greats (Captains, Coaches, B&F, Brownlows, GF's etc)encompassing the Roys history. There is also to be a History Museum of such when all the renovations are finished at the Gabba, and I would assume it will eventuate in the final stage when they finally decide what to do with the Social Club. This Museum will cover both Fitzroy and Bears memorabilia and is being put together by the Lions Historical Society up here, and it looks like they have collected alot. And then there is the average Joe Citizen Fan that want's to learn alot too. My Dad (a Foundation Bears Member) has got his hands on all the Books and Videos that he can. He was estatic when on my last Visit to Melbourne (in June) we found a store that still sold original Bears and Roys scarves and Beanies.
Personally, I think they have done an alright job of 'preserving' the history, but I also think that their is a great need for improvement in the treatment of the Victorian based supporters/members, the majority of who are ex Fitzroy members.
Up here in the Lions Social Club at the Gabba, we have Honour Boards of all the Fitzroy greats (Captains, Coaches, B&F, Brownlows, GF's etc)encompassing the Roys history. There is also to be a History Museum of such when all the renovations are finished at the Gabba, and I would assume it will eventuate in the final stage when they finally decide what to do with the Social Club. This Museum will cover both Fitzroy and Bears memorabilia and is being put together by the Lions Historical Society up here, and it looks like they have collected alot. And then there is the average Joe Citizen Fan that want's to learn alot too. My Dad (a Foundation Bears Member) has got his hands on all the Books and Videos that he can. He was estatic when on my last Visit to Melbourne (in June) we found a store that still sold original Bears and Roys scarves and Beanies.
Personally, I think they have done an alright job of 'preserving' the history, but I also think that their is a great need for improvement in the treatment of the Victorian based supporters/members, the majority of who are ex Fitzroy members.
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Agree with Walshy.Interstate teams have had it easy, follow the Roos like me where we have to earn everything we get..no hand outs for struggling Vic clubs, no charity draft picks..most supporters from struggling vic clubs couldnt give a rats arse about interstate teams, or the national comp.
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Barney, cause they don't take the interstate clubs seriously could be the downfall, such as your beloved Roos. Personally, I don't know of any other club than yours that needs to get authorisation from their bank's head office to cash a wages cheque cause they are sooooo far over their overdraft!! The amount of money put together that you claim interstate clubs have recieved STILL wouldn't bail you guys out!
From a Footy Culture side of things, you guys are tops. But try the bussiness accumen, take a leaf out of the interstate books or you will find yourself out of a club!
From a Footy Culture side of things, you guys are tops. But try the bussiness accumen, take a leaf out of the interstate books or you will find yourself out of a club!
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Actually I was under the impression I was a full Victorian social club member of the "Brisbane Bears-FITZROY Australian Football Club" trading as the 'Brisbane Lions'.
Arch, I've been a Fitzroy member and supporter for many a long year and was involved at the club at a reasonably high level (though not at board level). I actually know many of the people involved in the dramas of 1996 such as Dyson Hore-Lacy, and other members of the board. I was a foundation member of the the Brisbane Lions in 1996 and have been a full member since, although it was difficult getting involved or as enthusistic as I was with Fitzroy. I didn't go to many matches the first year, although I went to every Victorian match last year and have been to every Victorian match this year as well as three Gabba games.
The Lions have done a pretty good job with preserving Fitzroy's history, although in my opinion they could have and should be doing a much better job. The Bears did give up their emblem, colours and theme song all in favor of Fitzroy's. They also undertook to pay off all Fitzroy creditors and saved the 1996 board members of Fitzroy from being sued. They continued all the Fitzroy coteries that wanted to continue, they sponsor Victorian grass-roots clubs such as South Morang, Beverley and the Fitzroy Juniors who play at the old Brunswick Street Oval that have a Fitzroy connection; they acknowledge Fitzroy history and tradition in their Yearbook and magazine.. 'The Lions Tale' with articles on former Fitzroy greats. The Lions B&F medal, the Merrett/Murray Medal is partly named after Fitzroy Browlow Medallist Kevin Murray (who was chosen from a ballot of interested 1996 Fitzroy members). They have combined the past players of both the Bears and Fitzroy into the "Fitzroy-Brisbane Past Players Association (headed by Norm Brown a Fitzroy great)"; they have a social club in the heart of Fitzroy's old recruiting zone at Bulleen. The names of every Fitzroy player to have played 100 games are on the Lions player's lockers at the Gabba, which I have seen for myself. On this evidence and the amount of Vic supporters turning up to Lions matches in Victoria you'd have to say the merger has been genuine and a partial success.
However there are some concerns, which have developed this year. The Brisbane match against Melbourne has been re-located to the Gabba and the possibility of a 13th match at the Gabba could well happen. 4 matches in Victoria per year is a distinct possibility. Also the amount of social functions held by the Lions in Victoria this year has been VERY poor. A co-opted Victorian director was sacked earlier this year, leaving less Victorian voice on the board. I tend to agree with Dannii that the present treatement of Victorian members, who are mostly Fitzroy people leaves a lot to be desired. Unless they take steps to address this then many people will not renew their memberships in 2001 and will go to Coburg-Fitzroy or wherever. If that happens then you'd have to judge the merger as a partial failure. The jury's still out on whether that it is the case or not.
Arch, I've been a Fitzroy member and supporter for many a long year and was involved at the club at a reasonably high level (though not at board level). I actually know many of the people involved in the dramas of 1996 such as Dyson Hore-Lacy, and other members of the board. I was a foundation member of the the Brisbane Lions in 1996 and have been a full member since, although it was difficult getting involved or as enthusistic as I was with Fitzroy. I didn't go to many matches the first year, although I went to every Victorian match last year and have been to every Victorian match this year as well as three Gabba games.
The Lions have done a pretty good job with preserving Fitzroy's history, although in my opinion they could have and should be doing a much better job. The Bears did give up their emblem, colours and theme song all in favor of Fitzroy's. They also undertook to pay off all Fitzroy creditors and saved the 1996 board members of Fitzroy from being sued. They continued all the Fitzroy coteries that wanted to continue, they sponsor Victorian grass-roots clubs such as South Morang, Beverley and the Fitzroy Juniors who play at the old Brunswick Street Oval that have a Fitzroy connection; they acknowledge Fitzroy history and tradition in their Yearbook and magazine.. 'The Lions Tale' with articles on former Fitzroy greats. The Lions B&F medal, the Merrett/Murray Medal is partly named after Fitzroy Browlow Medallist Kevin Murray (who was chosen from a ballot of interested 1996 Fitzroy members). They have combined the past players of both the Bears and Fitzroy into the "Fitzroy-Brisbane Past Players Association (headed by Norm Brown a Fitzroy great)"; they have a social club in the heart of Fitzroy's old recruiting zone at Bulleen. The names of every Fitzroy player to have played 100 games are on the Lions player's lockers at the Gabba, which I have seen for myself. On this evidence and the amount of Vic supporters turning up to Lions matches in Victoria you'd have to say the merger has been genuine and a partial success.
However there are some concerns, which have developed this year. The Brisbane match against Melbourne has been re-located to the Gabba and the possibility of a 13th match at the Gabba could well happen. 4 matches in Victoria per year is a distinct possibility. Also the amount of social functions held by the Lions in Victoria this year has been VERY poor. A co-opted Victorian director was sacked earlier this year, leaving less Victorian voice on the board. I tend to agree with Dannii that the present treatement of Victorian members, who are mostly Fitzroy people leaves a lot to be desired. Unless they take steps to address this then many people will not renew their memberships in 2001 and will go to Coburg-Fitzroy or wherever. If that happens then you'd have to judge the merger as a partial failure. The jury's still out on whether that it is the case or not.
And then maybe you should look at http://www.worldfootballrankings.com
Try in the top 150 footy teams in the world (all codes)
at number:
45 Essendon
53 Richmond
64 Adelaide
72 Melbourne
74 Hawthorn
79 West Coast
95 Brisbane Lions
97 Western Bulldogs
110 Geelong
113 Port Adelaide
116 Sydney Swans
123 St Kilda
127 Carlton
132 North Melbourne/Kangaroos
136 Fremantle Dockers
The only team missing in this top 150 is Collingwood. And funny enough 3 'interstate ' teams finished in the top 100! I mean sheeeeez poor old North, they were even beaten by the Swans and Port Adelaide!!!
Try in the top 150 footy teams in the world (all codes)
at number:
45 Essendon
53 Richmond
64 Adelaide
72 Melbourne
74 Hawthorn
79 West Coast
95 Brisbane Lions
97 Western Bulldogs
110 Geelong
113 Port Adelaide
116 Sydney Swans
123 St Kilda
127 Carlton
132 North Melbourne/Kangaroos
136 Fremantle Dockers
The only team missing in this top 150 is Collingwood. And funny enough 3 'interstate ' teams finished in the top 100! I mean sheeeeez poor old North, they were even beaten by the Swans and Port Adelaide!!!
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Is that your final answer? Do you want to lock that in?
Have another look at the list - Collingwood comes in at number 43 on the list with an average home attendance of 49,655.
We might be crap, but our supporters still love us
Have another look at the list - Collingwood comes in at number 43 on the list with an average home attendance of 49,655.
We might be crap, but our supporters still love us
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Li'l Pete
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I want to lock that in!!!!
Collingwood supporters - a blight on day to day life!
Bulldogs supporters - A friggin blight on humanity!!!! For christ sakes, any bullies fans on here that were at the ch7 studio in brisbane last saturday?? Wanna tell the world what you lot do? Not game enough to say anything to the adult supporters, but quite happy to give the under 7's a hard time, with the foul language involved as well!!
As for the footy ranking post, I thought it was aimed more at the Roo-Poos-Stews-sorry-you-gave-me-salmonala supporters!!!!
Collingwood supporters - a blight on day to day life!
Bulldogs supporters - A friggin blight on humanity!!!! For christ sakes, any bullies fans on here that were at the ch7 studio in brisbane last saturday?? Wanna tell the world what you lot do? Not game enough to say anything to the adult supporters, but quite happy to give the under 7's a hard time, with the foul language involved as well!!
As for the footy ranking post, I thought it was aimed more at the Roo-Poos-Stews-sorry-you-gave-me-salmonala supporters!!!!
Barney- please don't forget the million of dollars that we interstate sides had to pay just to join the competition. And I don't know about Brisbane & Sydney, but we are well and truly financial enough to look after ourselves, and have been for the last decade. As are Adelaide, and Port. Freo don't do too bad either. Interstate clubs put an enormous amount of money into the competition.
And I don't know what draft picks you were talking about. We have each needed to form an original team, and have done that by recruiting players in our zone. Are you suggesting we should have formed the original squad through the draft alone? That's crazy! We'd have had one pick in each round, then the last 40 or so.
And I don't know what draft picks you were talking about. We have each needed to form an original team, and have done that by recruiting players in our zone. Are you suggesting we should have formed the original squad through the draft alone? That's crazy! We'd have had one pick in each round, then the last 40 or so.
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