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Do those complaining about picking a tall forward instead of an inside mid not realise the list is in more need of a backup tall forward than any other position? There is no one even close to being able to step up if Kennedy or Darling go down. On recent form the best option is another ruckman in Giles. Allen is raw, not ready and really should be playing WAFL reserves. Lamb is OK when he wants to be but most of time just rocks up and goes home. McInnes can't take a mark to save himself. That's it.
 

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Do those complaining about picking a tall forward instead of an inside mid not realise the list is in more need of a backup tall forward than any other position? There is no one even close to being able to step up if Kennedy or Darling go down. On recent form the best option is another ruckman in Giles. Allen is raw, not ready and really should be playing WAFL reserves. Lamb is OK when he wants to be but most of time just rocks up and goes home. McInnes can't take a mark to save himself. That's it.
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My two brothers had glandular fever. One was up an running in a month and back to footy, the other very low energy for years. Not an illness I would want.
 

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Do those complaining about picking a tall forward instead of an inside mid not realise the list is in more need of a backup tall forward than any other position? There is no one even close to being able to step up if Kennedy or Darling go down. On recent form the best option is another ruckman in Giles. Allen is raw, not ready and really should be playing WAFL reserves. Lamb is OK when he wants to be but most of time just rocks up and goes home. McInnes can't take a mark to save himself. That's it.
My argument was Lamb vs Blakely in the first place.

At the end of 2014 our midfield depth was a bigger problem than our forward line, and at that stage we were playing McGovern predominantly forward, Lycett played the last 12 matches for the Eagles, predominantly as a forward (kicked more than a goal a game) and Sinclair and McIness were playing forward/ruck in the WAFL.

Our midfield depth consisted of McGinnity, Hutchings, Colledge and a rookie listed Will Maginness. Selwood had just suffered a serious foot injury.

Definitely arguable that we needed both mids and key forwards, but still.
 

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We also had Sheed who we'd taken in the first round the previous year, we took a mid (Duggan) with our pick before Lamb, and we'd gotten another inside mid in Waterman for what seemed to be a steal at the time.

Easy to see why we went outside the box with that pick instead of going for another inside mid who was the safer pick.
 

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You wonder why Freo got him when they have already loaded up on mids.
Because Freo don't draft talls :p
Whilst Freo have taken this a few steps too far, it at least prevents you from falling into the trap of relying on too few to become elite.

WCE have shown we can develop very good talls from anywhere in the draft, but I feel like you need a high number of midfielders because most of them won't cut it - and lots of them end up becoming small defenders/forwards.

Our lack of midfield depth is why we have held on to guys like McGinnity for so long.

Now that Barlow/Mundy is declining so quickly, and if Neale were to leave for another team, Freo have a ready made inside mid to slot straight in next year.

If that were us - if Priddis's form drops off a cliff and if for some reason Shuey were to leave the club, we would be relying heavily on Sheed and Redden.
 

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Whilst Freo have taken this a few steps too far, it at least prevents you from falling into the trap of relying on too few to become elite.

WCE have shown we can develop very good talls from anywhere in the draft, but I feel like you need a high number of midfielders because most of them won't cut it - and lots of them end up becoming small defenders/forwards.

Our lack of midfield depth is why we have held on to guys like McGinnity for so long.

Now that Barlow/Mundy is declining so quickly, and if Neale were to leave for another team, Freo have a ready made inside mid to slot straight in next year.

If that were us - if Priddis's form drops off a cliff and if for some reason Shuey were to leave the club, we would be relying heavily on Sheed and Redden.
He'd still get named every week until he decided to quit haha
 

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Whilst Freo have taken this a few steps too far, it at least prevents you from falling into the trap of relying on too few to become elite.

WCE have shown we can develop very good talls from anywhere in the draft, but I feel like you need a high number of midfielders because most of them won't cut it - and lots of them end up becoming small defenders/forwards.

Our lack of midfield depth is why we have held on to guys like McGinnity for so long.

Now that Barlow/Mundy is declining so quickly, and if Neale were to leave for another team, Freo have a ready made inside mid to slot straight in next year.

If that were us - if Priddis's form drops off a cliff and if for some reason Shuey were to leave the club, we would be relying heavily on Sheed and Redden.
By that logic you are rating blakely over sheed? Really? Sheed is well ahead of blakely at this stage of their careers
 

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By that logic you are rating blakely over sheed? Really? Sheed is well ahead of blakely at this stage of their careers
Didn't say I rated him higher than Sheed at all. What logic are you referring to?

Sheed is a year older for starters and has an additional year of development, but that's not the point.

Point is that three good inside mids are better than two.
 

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He seems to have some serious case of it. I wouldnt have expected this long. But even before the season began the eagles had written it off for him. Such a shame the kid is a serious footballers footballer, dont know if he could have been class at afl level but he would have dominated the wafl
Yep hasnt been seen at the club for months really worried about him.
Is suffering depression from it.
 

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Didn't say I rated him higher than Sheed at all. What logic are you referring to?

Sheed is a year older for starters and has an additional year of development, but that's not the point.

Point is that three good inside mids are better than two.
I guess my only criticism of this point would be that putting an emphasis on drafting midfielders, in order to adress current deficiencies, undermines the broader long-term objective of developing a balanced, well-rounded list. In this sense, their is an opportunity cost associated with drafting - by focussing on one deficiency you ultimately create others down the track.

Unbalanced lists rarely ever become Premiership teams. Fremantle, more so than any other team that comes to mind, have relied immensely on their midfield to win games for long time (their defence has also been good- i'll give you that).

So back to your original point, although i agree that, in isolation, 3 good inside mids are better than two - I'd back a more balanced list e.g. 2 good inside mids and a good forward/defender/wingman etc to beat the former more often than not.
 
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