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- Florida stopped all lockdown about a week ago.

- Quakertown in Pennsylvania has avoided all lockdown and masks for the whole year, no extra mortality or crisis there. Mass media of course silent about that.

- Cures HCQ and Ivermectin with huge success rate but mass media relentlessly attacks and governments including Australian ban theses cures - who do our givts really work for? Not us that's for sure.

- at least 50 coutries in the world never had any lockdown at all and none of them ever appeared in top 50 mortality rates - again mass media pretends these contries don't exist.

- Sweden had minimal lockdown, Belarus had even less. Mass media ruthlessly attacked them as supposedly having bad covid crises as a result, but when their numbers went way down suddenly the lying cheating mass media stopped writing stories about them, knowing how short the attention span of the dumb sheeple is.

- the supposed causative virus has never been isolated or proven to cause disease, The tests are invalid and return huge numbers of false positives which are used to manufacture new fake spikes based on "case numbers".

- there has been rampant misdiagnosis often based on financial reward for covid diagnoses, covid cause of death dertificates and even large rewards for getting elderly patients on ventilators which usually they never come back alive from. Some people would call that cold blooded murder. I call the whole thing mass murder and war by medical misinformation.

- Movies "vaxxed" and "vaxxed 2" (available free on d.tube) show how incredibly corrupt and vicious is the vaccination industry.
They have tried unsuccessfully for decades to create a successful corona virus vaccination. Yet now suddenly they are confident of making one within a year? It nornally takes many years for a vaccination to pass all the safety tests and be approved.
YOu are going to be very sorry after you submit to the new vaccination and I'll try to feel bad for you even though many of you are trying to drag the rest of us down with you.
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The thing that is never explained properly or logically by you nut jobs - is why?

Why is almost every government in the world, regardless of their political ideologies, trying to ruin their economies and the lives of their people. Why has every government and almost all independent scientists globally decided to do this at the exact same time?

It makes no sense at all for a government to introduce a policy that is likely to result in them getting voted out for no reason.

So Genius - enlighten me to your theory on why.
 
It's worth noting that number of deaths has started to really climb in Europe. There was a lag between the infection rate and deaths. But the trends look pretty awful. And the case numbers are much higher second time around. And you can factor in, Europe (and the US for that matter) haven't experienced a winter with COVID yet.

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GWT6 said:
The thing that is never explained properly or logically by you nut jobs - is why?

Why is almost every government in the world, regardless of their political ideologies, trying to ruin their economies and the lives of their people. Why has every government and almost all independent scientists globally decided to do this at the exact same time?

It makes no sense at all for a government to introduce a policy that is likely to result in them getting voted out for no reason.

So Genius - enlighten me to your theory on why.
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Yeah, the Northern Hemisphere is cooked right now as a direct result of their Governments' refusals to act because of the "economic impacts". This is possibly the end of the Western-dominated epoch and beginning of the Asian one. In 100 years this might seen as the point where it all really turned that way.

It's going to be horrific in the Northern Hemisphere over the next few months, vaccine or not.
 
Saint said:
Yeah, the Northern Hemisphere is cooked right now as a direct result of their Governments' refusals to act because of the "economic impacts". This is possibly the end of the Western-dominated epoch and beginning of the Asian one. In 100 years this might seen as the point where it all really turned that way.

It's going to be horrific in the Northern Hemisphere over the next few months, vaccine or not.
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Yeah it is looking that way. America in particular, the other countries for the most part have decent health systems and a population that can still understand reason. A lot of America is too far gone for that.....
 
The 747 said:
Yeah it is looking that way. America in particular, the other countries for the most part have decent health systems and a population that can still understand reason. A lot of America is too far gone for that.....
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The problem in Europe is old buildings with no ventilation/circulation and high densities. A good chunk of the USA doesn't really have a winter, but they're all big box stores you drive to on the edge of town.
 
The 747 said:
Agree but Europe has a safety net so they can enforce a lockdown. The US does not, so if they lockdown, people starve.
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There's nothing stopping the US Govt from sending out another round of checks with Trump's name on it. But what likelihood is that to happen now he's lost. He's done nothing about Governance since the election.
 
Saint said:
There's nothing stopping the US Govt from sending out another round of checks with Trump's name on it. But what likelihood is that to happen now he's lost. He's done nothing about Governance since the election.
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It isn't going to matter now, they have 144,000 infections reported in the past day. Half of the country is yet to be convinced there is a problem.
 

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The 747 said:
OK now up around 160,000-180,000 depending on when you start counting in a 24 hour period. This is going to be grim it is not even winter yet in the US.
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They might give natural herd immunity a shake before a vaccine arrives, if it's available around March (which seems to be the earliest realistic time, regardless of what the orange man has to say).

Take this with a grain of salt as it's very amateur analysis - but - they are currently seeing about a 5% growth rate in new cases per day. There is no summer to save them this time, so unless action is taken the numbers will continue to climb. In a purely exponential setting, that type of rate of growth will see around 25 million new cases per day and 550 million total cases by February 28.

I'm no epidemioligist - but since their population is only 330 million that will obviously not happen and at some point cases will start falling due to the effects of herd immunity. If immunity lasts at least a year, anyway.

That's not even counting the countless missed cases.
 
According to WHO:

"Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care."
 
From a study from the International Journal of Infectious Diseases:

"We estimated excess deaths of 7,027, 20,259, 15,801 and 24,981 attributable to influenza epidemics in the 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16 and 2016/17"

Given they had 730 COVID deaths in 24 hours yesterday, on top of the 45,000 they've already had...I find it hard to understand the whole "it's no different to the flu" argument.
 
GWT6 said:
The thing that is never explained properly or logically by you nut jobs - is why?

Why is almost every government in the world, regardless of their political ideologies, trying to ruin their economies and the lives of their people. Why has every government and almost all independent scientists globally decided to do this at the exact same time?

It makes no sense at all for a government to introduce a policy that is likely to result in them getting voted out for no reason.

So Genius - enlighten me to your theory on why.
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How popular is every government which has had strict lockdowns and heavy handed rules ?

Andrews and co massively stuffed up and caused hundreds of deaths and saw thousands of businesses ruined yet he is massively popular
 
HairyO said:
How popular is every government which has had strict lockdowns and heavy handed rules ?

Andrews and co massively stuffed up and caused hundreds of deaths and saw thousands of businesses ruined yet he is massively popular
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In a two party system the other mob affect that.

Andrew's opposition is pretty much monkeys flinging s**t so he doesn't have much to compete with.
 
HairyO said:
How popular is every government which has had strict lockdowns and heavy handed rules ?

Andrews and co massively stuffed up and caused hundreds of deaths and saw thousands of businesses ruined yet he is massively popular
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HairyO said:
SA just gone in to lockdown. Lets see if the govt is more or less popular after next week.

My bet is more popular.
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Are you suggesting that lockdowns are being used as a political tool to increase a government's popularity?
 
Lavender Bushranger said:
Are you suggesting that lockdowns are being used as a political tool to increase a government's popularity?
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Given NSW has managed just fine even while infected Victorians kept crossing the border and causing outbreaks I would say there are only 2 reasons:
1. Incompetent Health dept who cant manage contact tracing and quarantining
2. Power obsessed government

Unless you can come up with another reason or 2 ?
 
HairyO said:
Given NSW has managed just fine even while infected Victorians kept crossing the border and causing outbreaks I would say there are only 2 reasons:
1. Incompetent Health dept who cant manage contact tracing and quarantining
2. Power obsessed government

Unless you can come up with another reason or 2 ?
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I'm not following?

Are you saying that the Vic lockdown, and now the South Australian one are ruses for the government to increase their power, through popularity?
 
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