So Rayzorwire, to summarise, you believe that the improvement we have seen in players under Hardwick, that were on the list under Wallace, is as a result on natural progression rather than development?
No Dustin, I'm sure it's a bit of both. My point was that a coach can't do anything about a players' physical state. Edwards, Reiwoldt and other juniors are finally getting to the point where they have a man's body - the first basic prerequisite to play AFL football well. On the flipside, Hardwick can't do anything about the fact blokes like Foley and Tambling haven't been able to give him anywhere near their best yet.
As an extention to this, do you think that players like JR and Edwards would have improved more under Wallace than they have Hardwick?
I doubt it (though I am sure they would have had natural improvement this year under any coach), as we've all agreed, once Wallace lost the playing group he had to be moved on.
Wow, talk about loyalty Rayzorwire, you must have really thought we were on the right track with TW,
Not so much that T2709, more that I didn't think he was fairly treated, I don't think the board had the right to escape all criticism for the situation we're in as it pretty much has, and I think Wallacee cops way too much unjustified, often unsupportable criticism, with his many good attributes totally forgotten.
...you forgot one thing that has obviously held us back, a gameplan, that can be understood and carried out by the players, TW never seemed to get this right and of course the outcome was a load of recruits that could never figure out where they were supposed to kick or run too,
I've heard everything from 'the gameplan was too complicated' through to 'there was no gameplan'...at least one of them can't be right.

Without intimate knowledge of which - if either - is true (and I suspect the proponents of each view would be equally adamant they have it right), I guess there's not much point in discussing issues that may or may not have existed.
Bottom line TW is gone from the Tigers and it's pretty poor form for him to be giving advice about what the Tigers should and shouldn't do, we have a new coach that I would rather have do that.
I just see it as a media commentator with a very unique perspective on the subject giving his views, I don't understand why people would automatically assume his views won't be at least a little insightful and interesting...for all his flaws, he has a very good football brain.
White was drafted in 2005 pre-season draft ...during Wallace era. Like many others during Wallace years, he has kicked on in 2010 under a new coaching regime
Well spotted dtbs, my mistake, I'd bumped him a year below the '04 draft in my mind instead of a year after.