He'll probably do his calf soon after getting there tooI said meh. My Collingwood partner said FFS. And there you have this move.
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He'll probably do his calf soon after getting there tooI said meh. My Collingwood partner said FFS. And there you have this move.
Yes I'm sure you and your "partner" are experts in what constitutes a quality football manager. It's somewhat surprising that Messrs McGuire and Pert failed to consult you prior to appointing Walsh.I said meh. My Collingwood partner said FFS. And there you have this move.
Yes I'm sure you and your "partner" are experts in what constitutes a quality football manager. It's somewhat surprising that Messrs McGuire and Pert failed to consult you prior to appointing Walsh.
In his most recent stint at North, the club played in 3 successive finals series and back-to-back preliminary finals. His previous record speaks for itself.
Previous record as?Yes I'm sure you and your "partner" are experts in what constitutes a quality football manager. It's somewhat surprising that Messrs McGuire and Pert failed to consult you prior to appointing Walsh.
In his most recent stint at North, the club played in 3 successive finals series and back-to-back preliminary finals. His previous record speaks for itself.
So you're saying he just sat on his hands the entire time he was at North? Never once speaking and offering any advice to Scott, the senior players and other members of staff?Previous record as?
I would have thought the foundations for our 3 successive finals series were laid before Walsh arrived, and the list management strategy of Joyce. However, you seem to imply you do have expertise in what constitutes a quality football manager. What are the criteria and what would you specifically point to, beyond the finals series, as evidence of his quality?
Output isn't the same as outcome. Busyness isn't the same as effectiveness. Consider "So you're saying Mark Neeld just sat on his hands the entire time he was at Melbourne? Never once speaking to, and offering any advice to, players and assistant coaches?"So you're saying he just sat on his hands the entire time he was at North? Never once speaking, and offering any advice to Scott, the senior players and other members of staff?
Output isn't the same as outcome. Busyness isn't the same as effectiveness. Consider "So you're saying Mark Neeld just sat on his hands the entire time he was at Melbourne? Never once speaking to, and offering any advice to, players and assistant coaches?"
Aren't you willing to answer the questions regarding your own views on how the quality of a football manager is measured and how Walsh specifically met or exceeded such criteria? What is the evidence, other than making finals, which as I've pointed out is spurious, that Walsh did a good job?
I'm not convinced he's been integral to finals at the Pies or at North, or that longevity in a field alone is an indicator of quality. I've come across a good many people from a range of industries whose main attribute seems to be selling themselves, and moving within the same industry from time to time. Cronyism can also be a factor.I think you'll find the measure of success is fairly simple and he has passed that test with aplomb. Football is a results driven business. He was employed in a senior role with the club for 3 years, during which time they made the finals each year. You don't last 30 years in this caper and earn AFL Life Membership without being good at your job.
I'll also back the likes of Gary Pert and Carl Dilena to know a thing or two about what constitutes a good football manager. Both have head hunted Walsh back to their clubs in a time of need. That speaks volumes of the level of respect held for him at each organisation.
It's a shame to lose him, but the Pies have clearly made him an offer that's too good to refuse for a short term role(1 or 2 years) as he heads into retirement.
I'm not convinced he's been integral to finals at the Pies or at North, or that longevity in a field alone is an indicator of quality. I've come across a good many people from a range of industries whose main attribute seems to be selling themselves, and moving within the same industry from time to time. Cronyism can also be a factor.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't necessarily agree with you or your arguments.
Fair point. Although I do wonder whether 'Eddie the Employer' is such a great example of astute staffing, and at North if the turnover at Board and senior management level meant we weren't quite the same employer in each stint. Would the JB/Eddie connection be a factor?I agree to an extent with what you're saying about longevity not necessarily being an indicator of success across industries. You're quite right that a lot of people change from job to job every few years without really adding anything to their employer and getting by on being able to self-promote. The difference between Walsh and many who you've encountered in those other walks of life that you mentioned is that he's been asked to go back to his former employer twice now. That's a fair indication that he is good at what he does and is respected.
I didn't realise I was known for my stance on Walsh, but yeah... see ya!I'll save year of the roo the effort by just commenting: terrible operator.
Might be overestimating our attachment to him.Good luck to Walshy, I am not as bitter as some of the BF crew.
Might be overestimating our attachment to him.
I may have misinterpreted to what the bitterness is referring. My bad.I don't think I am overestimating anything.
I thought you were the Firestater, not the instigator..I may have misinterpreted to what the bitterness is referring. My bad.
Extinguisher?I thought you were the Firestater, not the instigator..
I'd like to his "achievements" since being at the club.
Other than *ing up the LT umpire issue I can't really remember him doing anything, sure in-house it could be different but certainly on the surface doesn't appear a loss.
Good luck to Walshy, I am not as bitter as some of the BF crew.