Injury Walsh's Injury Updates

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Put it out there
  1. Apex36

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    Barrett also reported that Wells wanted to go back on this Argo on MMM. Apparently thought it was minor until his foot cooled down overnight and the pain increased.
     
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  2. BigCharlie

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    Christ, you people will believe anything.

    1)There is no possible way on earth anyone could tell whether the injury wasn't made worse, and 2)A lisfranc injury is a very serious injury, especially when it involves diastasis.

    As it one of the of the two most common foot injuries in athletes, any midfoot pain or MOI that could possibly lead to that injury has to be suspected to be a Lisfranc injury unless proven otherwise.
     
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  3. Finnishpie

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    I agree with this. I just think if it’s Wells and he’s obviously got some kind of foot injury, you err on the safe side. Even if he wants to go back on.
     
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    The claim that the injury didn't get any worse also struck me as a complete guess at best or more likely complete spin to avoid criticism. They clearly didn't know what the injury was at the time or the extent of it and they have no way of retrospectively finding out the initial extent of it or whether it got worse.

    I'm not having ago at the medicos. There are ridiculous expectations on this board of medicos. Like doctors all around the world, a player tells them where his pain is, they then have a look for external symptoms, test various movement and then make an educated guess. Unless we have MRI machines on the interchange bench that's all they can do and often the educated guess will miss the mark. Even after an MRI scan, they often still just see inflammation and have to make an educated guess.
     
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    There’s a line, IMO.

    Without a shadow of a doubt the call down to the bench would have gone like this “we need the rotation. If he can run get him out there” so anyone choosing to pin this on the medicos is both right and wrong, IMO. Wrong in the sense that it wouldn’t have been their decision to send him back out there and right in the sense that they weren’t firm enough to simply say “no, we aren’t taking any risks he’s done for the day” so they do deserve a share of the “responsibility” (not really sure what the correct word is here).

    FWIW we have form with this stuff just ask Tim Broomhead it happened to him twice! JDG was sent back on the field last year then had season ending surgery that week. Maynard was sent back on v Richmond then misses the next month. At some point we need to realise that the extra rotation may just not be worth it.
     
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    Why do you think he was sent back on?
     
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    For me the line is whether the player is being pressured to play on or not. I don't know enough about the examples that you've mentioned or the Wells example to have an opinion whether we are poor in this regard. There's been whispers about the Broomhead example, but nothing substantial.

    I would be shocked if Wells would have come back on or been allowed to come back on if they knew the extent of his injury, but the reality is that on game day they don't know the extent of injuries and many players will undersell their niggles thus making diagnosis even less accurate. I don't reckon any club regularly sits blokes down for a half if the bloke says he's ok to play on and the doctors aren't very confident that it's serious.
     
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    I don't care.

    Yes and no. These days they have video footage from every possible angle to pore over for a mechanism of injury.
    It was a rather innocuous occurrence, but then Lisfranc injuries most often occur via a low velocity indirect force. He could partially weight bear coming of the ground, but only they will know what tests they ran him through down in the rooms.

    I think it's more likely than not the diastasis happened after he came back on. They would have been able to tell otherwise down in the rooms simply by passive joint movements, i.e there would have been movement.

    Err, no.

    Because the medical staff are clueless.
     
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    I've had two different ailments, where I had MRIs done at top notch facilities, by top notch surgeons, on both occassions they said massive inflammation, but we're not sure of the cause. We could do exploratory surgery if you like or alternatively hope it settles.
     
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    lol, havnt had it checked again yet
     
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    "the medical staff are clueless"

    Please.

    Keyboard warrior alert.
     
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    Any idea when we will get a new injury update?
     
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    Don't they usually come on Tuesdays? Probably this arvo.

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    COLLINGWOOD

    Player

    Injury

    Estimated Return

    James Aish Knee 5-6 weeks
    Tim Broomhead Broken leg Season
    Jamie Elliott Hamstring 1-2 weeks
    Alex Fasolo Ankle 4-5 weeks
    Tyson Goldsack Knee 10-12 weeks
    Kayle Kirby Heart issue Indefinite
    Jack Madgen Broken jaw 2 weeks
    Darcy Moore Hamstring 1-2 weeks
    Ben Reid Leg 1 week
    Josh Smith Hamstring 1 week
    Travis Varcoe Hamstring 1-2 weeks
    Daniel Wells Foot Season
    Updated: Monday, June 18

    Early prognosis
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    and hamstrung quartet Elliott, Moore, Varcoe and Smith are at least another week away, while Aish and Fasolo are recovering well. Wells has undergone a possibly season-ending operation on a foot injury. The club continues to monitor Kirby's heart issue. - Ben Collins
     
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    And your not? I’d back medicos one thinks?


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    http://www.voy.com/51976/395978.html
     
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    Did anyone follow up on this one to clarify if those respective timeframes are VFL or AFL? I assume AFL based on how much they’ve stepped up Moore’s program. Also it’s not particularly encouraging for Reid, but a huge boost for Mihocek!
     
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    So Elliott did a supposedly low grade hamstring sometime around round 1 or 2? Then came back after 4 weeks & did the same low grade hamstring? As did both Smith & Moore. Now we are at round 13 & he is a month away?
    Yep we are awesome at injury management.
     
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    Elliot has back issues. Pretty sure those with banks issues usually will have problems with hamstrings as well.

    I'm no expert, but I'm not sure what can be done (that wouldn't already been part of his plan) to help prevent hamstring injuries.
     
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    Billy was shown training earlier in the week and they said another week before he plays.
    I'd say Bucks would be talking AFL ready timeframes.
     
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    Billy was a "tweak" the day before Round 4 vs Adelaide (though he had previously had a few "step backs" in his pre-season loads), missed 5 weeks, returned AFL Round 8 in the 2nds, came on for his first run in the 2nd qtr and had another "tweak" after 5 minutes.

    Moore had "awareness" in Round 2 vs GWS, missed until Round 7 vs Brisbane, had "awareness" again the following week in the 2nd qtr.

    Smith did a proper hamstring tear in Round 1 vs Hawthorn, returned weekend of AFL Round 7 in the 2nds, had a "tweak" at the 20 minite mark of the 1st qtr.

    Yeah, if those timeframes I quoted are VFL return as opposed to AFL readiness, then we've had a couple of re-re-occurences on the sly. Hopefully not...
     
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    Hope so. The forward line is functioning pretty well as it is.
    But boy do we become a lot more dangerous with Jamie roaming around there.
    We shouldn't require him to beat the lower ranked clubs who we have coming up.
    But he would be so handy to have forward when we take on the likes of Sydney, Richmond & Port later in the year.
    Really hope we can get the guy right soon.
     
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