WAR CRIMES - Afghanistan

Discussion in 'Crime' started by shellyg, Jun 11, 2018.

Put it out there
  1. shellyg

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    Australia's SAS have run amok in Afghanistan according to a leaked report, using “unsanctioned and illegal application of violence” during operations, showing “disregard for human life and dignity”.

    Blooding rituals, executions of unarmed civilians and taking souvenirs - a prosthetic leg which was used as a drinking vessel at SAS headquarters in Perth, just some of the allegations.

    What else can we expect really, we've trained them for it.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-10/death-in-darwan/9813304

    https://www.theguardian.com/austral...r-crimes-in-afghanistan-being-taken-seriously

    https://www.theguardian.com/austral...y-after-allegations-unarmed-afghan-men-killed
     
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    Your last line is what stops me condemning some actions in war zones. If criminal actions are found to have happened I hope they are prosecuted but with an understanding of the areas they work in

    No easy answer
     
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    Here's an easy answer... Get them the f$^& out, what right do we have to invade this country?
     
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    Thanks for the political statement. Anything on the possible criminality of the soldiers?
     
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    I have no doubt that if Australia was on the losing end of the conflict we would hear about far more, far worse acts that were allegedly done by soldiers acting for Australia.
     
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    Their existence in Afghanistan in criminal. Don't try and imply they're over there for some noble cause..
     
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    If you think the act of war can be civilised then you are deluding yourself. It's ugly and violent.

    Nobody really wants to know what happens, a perfectly executed operation against a legitimate target handled efficiently and professionally described in its dramatic and graphic truth would horrify people.

    People want to be safe and keep the violence over the wall that hides them from the darkness.
     
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    I am not. I am suggesting to you if you want to raise political issues then take it to the SRP board. This is about the criminality of the soldiers actions ( if they are deemed so)
     
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    Even within those parameters there will be some criminal acts committed. The boundaries blur at times in the heat of the moment
     
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    Not a lot of people talking about it over social media, not even twitter after Leigh Sales on 7.30 gave it some air. It's an uncomfortable subject and I think most people understand the complexities without ever having worn a soldiers boots.

    ADF special forces in my extended family, he came back from Afghanistan and everybody thought he was fine .. for a little while. Then he unravelled, completely.

    I find it hard to condemn even with these kinds of stories coming out now will hold back, suspect they need to look at command.
     
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    'Whatabout'-ing war crimes? Good grief. If Defence is doing it's own report about it it means the soldiers really ****** up.
     

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    You might be getting caught up in the latest buzz word, whataboutism doesn't really work when I'm talking about the exact same people but the context is changed to one where Australia isn't a history defining victor.

    The not so subtle point is that those people hanged at Nuremberg wouldn't have had German names if the 3rd Reich had won, but we would still look at them as war criminals because that is how it was described.

    The entire process is to delude each other that we are somehow the prevailing civilised group, when the reality is that all sides commit horrible acts and if the results of the conflict were reversed they would be held to greater account for it.
     
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    This is a great conversation but I'm not Procrastinator35.
     
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    This is very good: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...flour-he-never-came-home-20180607-p4zk38.html

    A lot of people would be shocked if they knew who that is.

    Also, it doesn't take a genius to work it out.
     
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    Can the Army take Medals off soldiers?
     
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    They certainly can.

    Taking Leonidas medals off him would be a massive deal.

    In fact, hmmm, maybe the Queen would have to do that.
     
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