Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 2

[Visions]

Another General KIA. Though he apparently came out of retirement to fight as a mercenary.

The Wagner group are supposed to allow the Russian hierarchy can claim deniability, yet I doubt they have their own air force....

 

[Visions]

According to Oryx, verified Russian losses are at the 4,000 vehicle mark. That number would definitely be higher as there would be many many more that haven't been photographed or shown.

The attrition rate is astonishing. There are reports that Russia is pulling out old T-62 tanks that are from the 1960's out of storage for new battalions groups.

 

[Crankyhawk]

hes not lying on the rouble exchange rate though. Could be argued it is returning to historical exchange rate (pre late 2019) though must admit I am surprised that it has rebounded as well as it has from early March this year

 

[owen87]

hes not lying on the rouble exchange rate though. Could be argued it is returning to historical exchange rate (pre late 2019) though must admit I am surprised that it has rebounded as well as it has from early March this year

I've no doubt there's a smattering of misrepresented truth in amongst all the lies and pro-Russia spin.

 

[footyfan1978]

The Harpoons seem to be limited to a range of 140km, so Russian ships can stay out of range just like they have after the sinking of the Moska. If Ukraine can however find a way to launch them from aircraft, then we might see some Russian warships in danger.

Go the Danes and the Czechs

 

[Baldur]

hes not lying on the rouble exchange rate though. Could be argued it is returning to historical exchange rate (pre late 2019) though must admit I am surprised that it has rebounded as well as it has from early March this year

For a time it is possable to keep an exchange rate high by various methods such as, using your cash reserves to buy your currency, making it difficult for your people to exchange your currency, demanding payment of all contracts in your currency etc etc. But these short term fixes come at long term costs, they stop the drop for a while but when it comes its bigger and faster than it would have been otherwise.

In the end the exchange rate of a currency is based on supply and demand, like any other market intervention attempting to fix or alter prices, doing so comes at a cost.

 

[Baldur]

Confronting video, be warned. This war is dead teenagers, burnt into cinders for an old mans pride.

 

[owen87]

Confronting video, be warned. This war is dead teenagers, burnt into cinders for an old mans pride.

Marcel and yebiga like this

 

[CD Xbow]

Confronting video, be warned. This war is dead teenagers, burnt into cinders for an old mans pride.

Sadly, that's about it. The horror of it. Most not more than kids. Bring your dress uniform because your going to be parading in Kyiv as liberators, instead, in a flash, you get barbequed. Lives, hopes, dreams all lost, in their thousands. Mr Putin has a lot to answer for.

I think an old mans dreams of resurrecting a dead empire plays it's part, too.

Added - article by 'that bloke', Mick Ryan suggesting the Russian campaign is close to culmination Russia's capacity to continue its Ukraine offensive may be reaching a peak. Four challenges loom

 

[Zidane98]

This cant come soon enough yebiga

 

[Mobbs]

Didn't see this until now but apparently the news is at least a couple of days old :
A naval escort from a non-NATO coalition of the willing to enable wheat exports out of Odessa was suggested and got preliminary support.

Lithuania wants naval coalition to lift Russia’s blockade of Ukraine’s grain

Britain supports in principle the call for a naval coalition ‘of the willing’ to restart exports through Black Sea

www.theguardian.com

 

[Visions]

Didn't see this until now but apparently the news is at least a couple of days old :
A naval escort from a non-NATO coalition of the willing to enable wheat exports out of Odessa was suggested and got preliminary support.

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I saw this proposal the other day, but it seems the UK aren't on board.

No plans to send warships to ease food supply issues

 

[Visions]

Everyone who was afraid that Turkey would stop Finland and Sweden joining NATO. Pretty sure it will get done in the end with negotiations between the parties.

 

[Visions]

The guys at the end of the video don't look like they even know it was coming.

 

[Visions]

When you have the Kremlin calling for Moldova to respect his human rights, you know he must have been a Russian stooge.

 

[Mobbs]

From tayga . info.

Manufacturers are increasingly acknowledging problems due to sanctions. Volgograd manufacturer of juices and baby food Sady Pridonya announced a change in product packaging design due to sanctions.

“Because of the sanctions, serious problems arose with the supply of raw materials and necessary materials to our country, including some types of cardboard, special varnishes and paints. The use of fewer colors for packaging design will ensure the uninterrupted supply of our products to retail outlets,” the company noted.

Now Sady Pridonya's products will be "in a new minimalistic design", which was called "a temporary and necessary measure".

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Additionally, Tayga report: At the same time, inflation in Russia in 2022, according to the forecast of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, will be 18-23%. Annual food inflation is approaching 24% , for example, in the Novosibirsk region. - [link]

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[Mobbs]

I'll keep an eye open on further refererences because in nearby towns you can't even have blue and yellow coloured roadside kerbs, artistic installations of bulls or even flowerbeds - I fear someone will be in touch to explain how the city is failing to meet obligations to 'Orwell' some undesirable refrences away.

The authorities of Novosibirsk posted a photo of "Ukrainian" and "Polish" at the exhibition about friendship

Власти Новосибирска разместили фото «украинки» и «польки» на выставке о дружбе

В центре Новосибирска открыли выставку «Многонациональный город в лицах». На стендах представлены фото молодых людей, в том числе «украинки» и «польки» с подписью о том, что «все народы шли к Великой Победе». Среди организаторов экспозиции — армянская община и мэрия.

tayga.info

The exhibition "Persons of a Multinational City" was opened in the center of Novosibirsk. On the stands there are photos of young people, including "Ukrainian" and "Polish" with the caption that "all peoples went to the Great Victory." Among the organizers of the exposition are the Armenian community and the mayor's office.

The exhibition "Multinational City in Persons" about the "unity of peoples" appeared near Pervomaisky Square in Novosibirsk, a Taiga.info correspondent reports. It is opened by a portrait of "Ukrainian" Anna Berezyuk.

“Novosibirsk is a young, ambitious city looking to the future. Multinational Novosibirsk at the same time carefully preserves its history. The unity of peoples, national cultures, traditions, spiritual and moral values, ideas of patriotism is the most important asset of the city's residents, says the annotation to the "exposition". — The future of multinational Novosibirsk is children and youth. The exhibition presents portraits of young people of our city of different nationalities - guys with an active lifestyle, engaged in social activities, the implementation of socially significant projects.

The photographer and author of the project is Alexander Ivanov. And the organizers are the NGO "National-Cultural Autonomy of the Armenians of the Novosibirsk Region" and the Public Relations Department of the Novosibirsk City Hall. The exhibition was made "at the expense of the municipal grant."

“Novosibirsk is a city of peace and brotherhood of peoples. Every year, on Victory Day, we march in a multinational column along Lenin Square. All peoples went to the Great Victory, ”berezyuk, who represents the EFES historical and ethnographic club, signed under the photo.

In one of the EFES posts on Vkontakte, it is noted that the club members participated in the festive procession on May 9: “You feel the holiday right next to you. Just about the battle rumbles died down and a peaceful life began. Meanwhile, 77 years have already passed! We thank the Berezyuk, Yakobchuk, Kirillov, Savitsky families.”

"EFES" is a historical and ethnographic club, which belongs to the City Interethnic Center, created on the basis of the Center for National Literature in 2014. In Novosibirslk it works with the support of the Public Relations Department of the Novosibirsk City Hall and cooperates with the Association of National-Cultural Autonomies and National Organizations of the city "Sodruzhestvo".

Next to the portrait of a “Ukrainian” at the exhibition hang photos of “Belarusian”, “Polish”, “Moldavian”, “Tuvian”, “Iraqi” (the author's spelling is preserved) and others. {Bashkir is also represented on the images in the article}

“The city where I found my friends. The city that gave me peace,” says “Iraqi” Alnashi Mujtaba Adil Jasim.

And "Belarusian" Anastasia Dementieva notes that Novosibirsk is "a city of creative freedom."

 

[Mobbs]

From Serhiy Gaidaj:

The last gas distribution station in Luhansk region was shut down, now the region is completely without natural gas, an employee of this GDS is injured

As of yesterday, 36,000 subscribers remained in the Luhansk region with gas in three settlements, and the remnants of blue fuel in the main pipes would be enough for a month and a half.

Now gas is not everywhere. Due to the shelling in the area of the last surviving gas distribution station, an employee who was adjusting the automation was injured. Due to these shellings by the Russian army, the GDS also stopped working, which led to the lack of centralized gas supply in these settlements.

As before, the area remains completely de-energized. There is no centralized water supply. Rescuers deliver water for the needs of the population.

 

[footyfan1978]

Didn't see this until now but apparently the news is at least a couple of days old :
A naval escort from a non-NATO coalition of the willing to enable wheat exports out of Odessa was suggested and got preliminary support.

Lithuania wants naval coalition to lift Russia’s blockade of Ukraine’s grain

Britain supports in principle the call for a naval coalition ‘of the willing’ to restart exports through Black Sea

www.theguardian.com

The video I put up yesterday with Lithuanian minister talked about it.
Hopefully it happens soon.

 

[footyfan1978]

The guys at the end of the video don't look like they even know it was coming.

It's better that they don't.
Least it probably happens quickly.

 

[footyfan1978]

I watched about half a dozen of these interview videos on youtube on Russian soldiers in captivity.
It is actually bat s**t crazy how so many down the line are just kept in the dark and fed s**t like mushrooms.
There even stories of so much shooting on their own tanks.
It is so messed up it makes your head spin.

 

[Mobbs]

- Almost two hundred dead found under the rubble of one high-rise building in Mariupol.
- Civilian deaths in Mariupol believed to be at least 20,000 (Davydov says that's more than died there during the nazi occupation in WW2 - can't find the data yet). (Has been prev reported as around 14,000)
- Residents get a discount on getting their loved ones buried ... if they say on camera "Ukraine did it" - part of a massive disinformation campaign.
- Mayor's office warns that there will be health implications from the sheer number of corpses yet to be unrecovered and cleared.



From Zmina dot info [Zmina article]:

During the analysis of the rubble of one of the high-rise buildings in Mariupol, the bodies of about two hundred dead were found. This was told(1) by the adviser to the mayor of Mariupol Petr Andryushchenko .

We are talking about one of the houses on Mira Avenue. According to the official, the bodies have a high degree of decomposition, because the locals involved in the work refused to collect and pack them. Therefore, the Russian rescuers who were brought to Mariupol simply left the territory.

“The bodies remained in place, because of the partially disassembled rubble, the stench can be heard almost throughout the entire block ,” Andryushchenko describes the situation.

An adviser to the mayor says that in Mariupol the process of reburial of bodies from the yards of high-rise buildings has actually been stopped. This happened because of the start of work in the city of the so-called state corporation "Ritual" from Donetsk.

You can also bury the dead for free, but for this, relatives need to stand in line, bring the body to an improvised “morgue” near the Metro shopping center, and then tell on camera(2) that the Ukrainian military killed the person.

“Because of such conditions, a large number of corpses are stacked in bags in a makeshift morgue on the street. The city has turned into a continuous cemetery ,” says Andryushchenko.

The authorities of Mariupol have repeatedly said that due to living in damp basements, unsanitary conditions and chaotic burials, Mariupol residents face an epidemic catastrophe. Mayor Vadim Boychenko predicts(3) that summer rains will wash dangerous compounds formed from the decomposition of bodies into the seas, rivers and sources of drinking water.

Currently, about 100 thousand people remain in the city.

Recall that, according to the city authorities, the number of people killed in Mariupol may be much higher than official statistics(4). Earlier, officials spoke of at least 20,000 victims.

1. Andryushchenko's TG post re 200 found in Mira St [Andryushchenko TG]:

Mariupol. Gravedigger.

When dismantling the blockages of a high-rise building near the suburban gas station-2 on Myru Ave., about 200 bodies were found dead in the basement under the blockages with a high degree of decomposition. Due to the refusal of locals to collect and pack the bodies of the dead, the Russian Ministry of Emergencies left the work site. The bodies of the dead remained in place, due to partially dismantled debris, the stench can be heard almost throughout the quarter.

Reburial. Due to the introduction of burial and exhumation of the so-called "state corporation" ritual "from Donetsk, the process of reburial from the courtyards of high-rise buildings was virtually stopped. For "official" free reburial it is necessary to wait in line, bring the body of the deceased to the "morgue" by issuing that the body of the deceased has just been found or agree to record a video where the applicant says that he was killed by the Ukrainian army. Due to such conditions, a large number of corpses were packed in a makeshift morgue near the Metro on the street (pictured). The city turned into a continuous cemetery.

Rage. Just angry.

2. Zmina article re Russia creating a pretence that Ukraine were complicit in the slaughter and destruction* [Zmina article]:

The Russian military is preparing in Mariupol a forgery of local evidence that the city was allegedly destroyed by the Ukrainian military. Thus, the occupying authorities announced the start of payment of compensation for the destroyed property and the deceased family member. However, in order to receive them, it is necessary to note in the statement that “destruction and murder are the work of the Ukrainian army.”

Piotr Andryushchenko, adviser to the mayor of Mariupol, wrote about this in a telegram(5). According to Andryushchenko, compensation of 500,000 rubles (approximately $6,000) is promised for housing, and 3 million rubles for a deceased family member. (approximately 33 thousand US dollars).

Registration of applications for compensation is carried out in the premises of school No. 9. However, when submitting a written application with their own hand, Mariupol residents must necessarily note that the property was “destroyed by the Ukrainian military”, and relatives “were killed by the Ukrainian army,” writes the mayor’s adviser.

He adds that in the absence or refusal of such a mark, the Russians report that there will be no compensation: “Given the psychological pressure and the state of the information blockade, Mariupol residents hopefully submit applications with appropriate notes. As a result, Russia receives tens of thousands of handwritten written testimonies about the atrocities of the Ukrainian army. Which should be used to influence international opinion, in particular, with wide publicity through propaganda media channels that continue to operate on the territory of the EU countries.”

Andryushchenko believes that in reality such compensation is impossible: “Only for the fulfillment of these promises to the people of Mariupol, Russia must spend at least 2.5 billion US dollars. Which is impossible in the current state of the Russian economy.”

Recall that the Russian military is preparing a large-scale disinformation campaign(6) involving parents and children who were deported to Russia and occupied Donetsk. Thus, the Russians are planning to record “testimonies” that the families of Mariupol residents were allegedly separated by the Ukrainian military. The target audience for such “content” is the international community.

3. Mariupol mayor Vadim Boychenko warns summer weather may interact with uncleared corpses to create sanitary issues [Mariupol Mayor's Office TG]:

Chaotic burials and summer rains could lead to an epidemic in Mariupol. The mayor Vadim Boychenko declared it.

"Apart from the humanitarian catastrophe created by the occupiers and collaborators, the city is on the verge of an outbreak of infectious diseases. 100,000 people continue to live without water. The sewer does not work. There are chaotic burials all over the city. During the summer rains typical of Mariupol, all this will get to the rivers, sea and springs, where people get their water. That is why we need sustainable green corridors for the evacuation of Mariupol residents. Together with international partners, we must do everything to save people, "said Mayor Vadym Boychenko.

4. Official statistics on civilian deaths may fall far short of reality* [Zmina article]

The number of dead residents of Mariupol is much higher than official data shows - the mayor's adviser. This was announced on May 7 by the mayor's adviser Petro Andryushchenko on his Facebook page.

He cited the testimony of one of the participants in the investigation of the blockages in Mariupol, who wished to remain anonymous because he is in constant danger in Mariupol.

Under pressure from the occupiers and to feed his family, a week ago the man volunteered to clear the city of rubble, Andryushchenko said.

"The man lasted only a few days. He says that people who worked both vomited and fell into a silent stupor. There were regular tantrums. All because the number of human bodies and their fragments under the rubble is insane. There were about 80-100 corpses under each house they raked up, ” he wrote.

Therefore, in his opinion, there are well-founded suspicions that the official figures of human losses in Mariupol may not coincide with the real ones.

According to the witness, many Mariupol residents have nervous breakdowns as people move more around the city and see the consequences of the arrival of the "Russian measure".

We will remind that according to the mayor Vadim Boychenko , since the beginning of full-scale invasion of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine in Mariupol more than 20 thousand people were lost.

It will be recalled that the coalition “ Ukraine. Fifth Morning , which includes the ZMINA Human Rights Center , collects and documents war crimes and crimes against humanity during the Russian invasion of national and international justice mechanisms.

Such crimes are considered:

• premeditated murder and infliction of grievous suffering;
• torture and inhuman treatment;
• rape;
• destruction and misappropriation of property not caused by military necessity;
• forcing civilians or prisoners of war to serve in the armed forces of the Russian Federation;
• use of the population as "living shields" ;
• deportation to Russia or to the territories occupied by it;
• abductions and illegal arrests of civilians;
• taking hostages;
• attacks on military personnel who have ceased to take part in hostilities;
• treacherous use of the uniform or insignia of the opposing army, the emblem of the Red Cross;
• use of prohibited weapons (eg cluster munitions);
• use of toxic substances;
• attacks on religious and cultural institutions;
• looting of public and personal property, etc.

5. Petr Andyshchenko explains how Russia creates a pretence that Ukraine was complicit [Andryushchenko TG]:

ATTENTION. Mariupol. For distribution. Russia in Mariupol is preparing the largest forgery of "witness testimony" that Mariupol was destroyed by the Ukrainian military. Testimonies will be prepared by the residents of Mariupol who remained in the city in writing.

To carry out such an operation, the Russian occupiers announced the start of registration for compensation for destroyed housing and / or loss of a family member. For housing - 500 thousand rubles (approximately 6 thousand US dollars), for a deceased family member - 3 million rubles. (approximately 33 thousand US dollars)

Registration of applications for compensation is carried out in the school premises №9. However, when submitting a written statement, Mariupol residents must state that the property was "destroyed by the Ukrainian military" and that relatives were "killed by the Ukrainian army." In the absence / refusal of such a mark, the occupiers report that no compensation will be made. Given the psychological pressure and the state of the information blockade, Mariupol residents hope to submit applications with relevant notes.

As a result, Russia receives tens of thousands of handwritten written "testimonies" about the "atrocities of the Ukrainian army." Which should be used to influence international opinion, including with wide publicity through the propaganda media channels that continue to operate in the EU.

In reality, such compensation is not possible. Russia must spend at least $ 2.5 billion on fulfilling these promises to Mariupol residents alone. That in the current state of Russia's economy is impossible.

6. A large-scale disinformation campaign [Zmina article]:

The Russians are preparing a large-scale disinformation campaign involving children - adviser to the mayor of Mariupol.

The Russians are preparing a large-scale disinformation campaign involving parents and children who were deported to Russia and occupied Donetsk. Thus, the invaders plan to record “evidence” that the Ukrainian military separated families. The target audience for such “content” is the international community.

An adviser to the mayor of Mariupol , Petr Andryushchenko , wrote about this in a telegram .

According to Andryushchenko, threatening to separate them from their children forever, parents are forced to record video messages in which they “testify” that Azov fighters and the Ukrainian military separated the families. And allegedly, it was the Ukrainian military that prevented the reunification of parents with children who were in hospitals.

After that, the mayor's adviser noted, the Russians are planning a "second series", where they will show that they "found and returned" the children to their parents.

Andryushchenko urged not to believe such videos:

“They are all made by coercive blackmail and are another cynical invention of the Russian IPSO. Please note that this is a direct abuse and another Russian war crime. The parents of the children are still in the occupied Mariupol region, so there is no way to resist the occupier in psychological pressure.”

Recall that Ukraine is now negotiating the evacuation of 60 people from the Azovstal plant in Mariupol - seriously wounded and doctors. In addition, relatives of the Azovstal defenders called on China to help with the extraction of the Ukrainian military from Mariupol.

Spoiler: photos of a makeshift morgue, there are corpses stored in bag at the end of the street

Already forgot which of the above links I grabbed these pictures from. One of the above.

 

[Mobbs]

The video I put up yesterday with Lithuanian minister talked about it.
Hopefully it happens soon.

Cheers thanks. Visions said he'd also seen it but referenced that the UK weren't keen.

 

[Mobbs]

Update on the ethnic processing centres in Russia to handle human trafficking out of where Mariupol used to be. There's a few more red dots now as the crimes spread.

Mariupol residents are being held in 66 camps in Russia. The total planned number of places in the camps is 95,000. These results were obtained by British investigators (Mariupol survivors sent to remote parts of Russia as investigation reveals network of 66 camps) as a result of checking our deportation information.
All mostly in the ass of the world in the Far East. When we started talking about it, almost no one believed it. Now the whole world sees the truth about inhumanity. Sad but the victory of the information front of Mariupol.
21st century. Deportation. Camps. Siberia. Russia has not changed its attitude towards Ukrainians for ages.