Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 2

[Gethelred]

This is a sensitive area for some. With that in mind, I'm going to remind a few posters a few things:

• personal attacks are against forum rules. From this point, any attacks that are directed at another poster will be treated with a warning, then infractions and threadbans if it continues.
• the spread of misinformation is also against the rules. This is taken very seriously by moderation, and you will be asked to support your opinion from time to time. If you cannot satisfy this, you will be provided an opportunity to retract your post; if you do not, you will receive an infraction and a threadban on that basis.

This is a forum for adults, and I'd appreciate you all treating each other appropriately.

 

[Kwality]

This could have the opposite impact. Create uncertainty in the West and the West might look to distract voters by escalating in the Ukraine. No politician is going to go to a poll trying to say what a good job they did by appeasing Putin so the price of petrol would come down a little bit.

Every politician the world over will blame Putin for all of their ills (even the self-inflicted ones like Brexit or monetary inflation). The more Putin gets the blame, the less politically possible it would be to appease him.

Russia will be the enemy for the next 10-15 years, they'll be back in the cold.

The article looks at the US ignoring NATO & breaking the blockade in the Black Sea:

'The obvious solution is to free up Ukrainian grain exports, relieving pressure on the global food supply and mitigating inflation. This would require an extensive demining and escort mission to create a corridor from Odessa to the eastern Mediterranean. It would demand a naval force large enough to deter Russian interruption.

An escort mission worked in similar circumstances during the Iran-Iraq war under Operation Earnest Will. Iran and Iraq, like Russia and Ukraine, had settled into a long-term fight. Iraq lost its port access after Iranian offensives. It turned to Kuwait to export Iraqi oil, but Iran attacked Kuwaiti ships. The U.S. responded by deploying a major naval task force to escort Kuwaiti oil tankers and conducting a handful of demonstrations of military power to deter continued Iranian pressure.

In the case of Ukraine, American deployment must be more aggressive. A nuclear-armed Russia, with clear incentives to deter greater U.S. participation in the war, may attack escorting warships. Washington can head off this possibility by employing an overwhelming naval task force consisting of small and large surface combatants with submarine and air support. Russia would be loath to intervene.

The U.S. shouldn’t conduct this mission through the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. France, Italy and Germany likely would veto it. America should instead act with an ad hoc coalition — likely Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and possibly the Baltic States, Sweden and Finland — to mitigate NATO divisions.'

 

[CD Xbow]

The article looks at the US ignoring NATO & breaking the blockade in the Black Sea:

'The obvious solution is to free up Ukrainian grain exports, relieving pressure on the global food supply and mitigating inflation. This would require an extensive demining and escort mission to create a corridor from Odessa to the eastern Mediterranean. It would demand a naval force large enough to deter Russian interruption.

An escort mission worked in similar circumstances during the Iran-Iraq war under Operation Earnest Will. Iran and Iraq, like Russia and Ukraine, had settled into a long-term fight. Iraq lost its port access after Iranian offensives. It turned to Kuwait to export Iraqi oil, but Iran attacked Kuwaiti ships. The U.S. responded by deploying a major naval task force to escort Kuwaiti oil tankers and conducting a handful of demonstrations of military power to deter continued Iranian pressure.

In the case of Ukraine, American deployment must be more aggressive. A nuclear-armed Russia, with clear incentives to deter greater U.S. participation in the war, may attack escorting warships. Washington can head off this possibility by employing an overwhelming naval task force consisting of small and large surface combatants with submarine and air support. Russia would be loath to intervene.

The U.S. shouldn’t conduct this mission through the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. France, Italy and Germany likely would veto it. America should instead act with an ad hoc coalition — likely Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and possibly the Baltic States, Sweden and Finland — to mitigate NATO divisions.'

I don't think there is any chance of any action to break the blockade, the risk of direct US-Russian conflict and all that entails is too big a risk. I agree if you did it, it couldn't be NATO. Turkey would have to agree to allow the ships in the Black sea. I'm not sure they would, they have been strongly trying to work out a diplomatic way. I think the solution can only come from diplomacy, the combatants themselves will have to come to some agreement to allow the grains to be exported. .

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[mighty tiges]

I never know what to make of these maps. The news and the Ukrainians claim that territory changes hands, but there's never any yellow on that map.

 

[mighty tiges]

General Aladeen. Seriously wtf you nutter.
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This vision of that p.o.s. reminds me of ...

 

[CD Xbow]

I missed this earlier, I don't think it's been posted and I have no idea what to make of it. Colonel Vadim Zimin, who carried Putin's nuclear codes, allegedly gunned down at his home

 

[CD Xbow]

I missed this earlier, I don't think it's been posted and I have no idea what to make of it. Colonel Vadim Zimin, who carried Putin's nuclear codes, allegedly gunned down at his home

Added - I think this is a bit of a beat up. He used to carry the codes and is under investigation for bribery.

'Zimin is a former colonel from the Federal Security Service. During his time in the FSS, he was in charge of the briefcase that carries the Russian nuclear controls and that is always carried by the head of the Kremlin.'

 

[footyfan1978]

I missed this earlier, I don't think it's been posted and I have no idea what to make of it. Colonel Vadim Zimin, who carried Putin's nuclear codes, allegedly gunned down at his home

Interesting if correct. Wonder whom get the codes now.

 

[Saint]

Added - I think this is a bit of a beat up. He used to carry the codes and is under investigation for bribery.

'Zimin is a former colonel from the Federal Security Service. During his time in the FSS, he was in charge of the briefcase that carries the Russian nuclear controls and that is always carried by the head of the Kremlin.'

Purge away.

 

[Kwality]

I don't think there is any chance of any action to break the blockade, the risk of direct US-Russian conflict and all that entails is too big a risk. I agree if you did it, it couldn't be NATO. Turkey would have to agree to allow the ships in the Black sea. I'm not sure they would, they have been strongly trying to work out a diplomatic way. I think the solution can only come from diplomacy, the combatants themselves will have to come to some agreement to allow the grains to be exported. .

All a part of the bigger picture of how much longer the conflict will last & the factors that will push any resolution.

 

[Mobbs]

I missed this earlier, I don't think it's been posted and I have no idea what to make of it. Colonel Vadim Zimin, who carried Putin's nuclear codes, allegedly gunned down at his home

That's interesting. This was reported somewhere else as a failed suicide attempt. Gunshot to head, still alive. But can't remember the source.

 

[Mobbs]

Kherson partisan movement produced this video which apparently talks about locations of Russian bases in the city, and common places where they meet with collaborators. Basically a big "just sayin'" video

 

[Mobbs]

A power station up in flames out in Siberia leaving regions without electricity. It's a bit south of Ulan-Ude and Irkutsk.
(I dunno if this's a troll because those regions are touch and go as to whether they ever GOT network power in the first place).



There's no good news for Russia here. Either they have some massive random activist sabotage terrorism thing going on (anti-war or not), OR they are just so s**t at everything that everything they ever build blows up.

 

[Mobbs]

The European Parliament adopted a resolution in support of granting Ukraine and Moldova the status of candidates for joining the European Union.

 

[footyfan1978]

There's no good news for Russia here. Either they have some massive random activist sabotage terrorism thing going on (anti-war or not), OR they are just so s**t at everything that everything they ever build blows up.

Bit of both.
Wonder how a region such as this, could break away from Russia as independent state and therefore as it no longer Russia, sanctions not apply there.
Doubt it possible under Putin but makes me wonder if this thing goes on and people well away from Kremlin with their males sent to fight for Kremlin just get fed up with the whole bullshit.

 

[footyfan1978]

It is something Kalingrad should do but I suspect the leader there is totally linked to Putin via funds and never would.

 

[Kwality]

Europe could be left in the cold as IEA warns of a complete cut-off from Russian gas

Russia may cut off gas to Europe entirely as it seeks to bolster its political leverage amid the Ukraine crisis, the head of the International Energy Agency (IEA) said.

www.abc.net.au

Rerouting Russian trade and oil​

With Western countries cutting ties with Russian trade and oil, Russia is said to be in the process of rerouting its enegy exports towards countries from the BRICS group of emerging economies.

The BRICS countries comprise Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.

In order to weather the sanctions, Russia is trying to forge closer ties with Asia, seeking to supplant the markets it lost in the row with the European Union and the United States.

In a video address to BRICS Business Forum participants, President Vladimir Putin said Russia was discussing increasing the presence of Chinese cars in the Russian market as well as the opening of Indian supermarket chains.

"In its turn, Russia's presence in the BRICS countries is growing. There has been a noticeable increase in exports of Russian oil to China and India," Mr Putin said.

According to data from the Chinese General Administration of Customs, China's crude oil imports from Russia were up 55 per cent from a year earlier to a record level in May, displacing Saudi Arabia as China's top supplier, as refiners cashed-in on discounted supplies.

Mr Putin also said Russia was developing alternative mechanisms for international financial settlements jointly with its BRICS partners.

Mr Putin also said Russia was developing alternative mechanisms for international financial settlements jointly with its BRICS partners.

"The Russian Financial Messaging System is open for connection with the banks of the BRICS countries. The Russian MIR payment system is expanding its presence. We are exploring the possibility of creating an international reserve currency based on the basket of BRICS currencies," he said.

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[Lethality]

 

[Visions]

Kherson partisan movement produced this video which apparently talks about locations of Russian bases in the city, and common places where they meet with collaborators. Basically a big "just sayin'" video

Plenty seemingly happening in Kherson with partisan activity. Last few days two separate collaborators have been targeted with car bombs, along with a cafe where Russian soldiers were shot. In the last few hours there has also been reports of explosions within Kherson itself.



There's been a lot of rumours abound in the last few days on how close the UAF is to Kherson due to their counter-attack, however due to a media ban, Ukrainian officials are not confirming anything while fighting takes place.

 

[Mobbs]

"Summer will be hot for Russian occupiers. And the last, for some of them."

 

[Zidane98]

"Summer will be hot for Russian occupiers. And the last, for some of them."
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Guarantee Russian MFA will quote this as proof of Nazis attacking Russians on their social media pages.

 

[Frank Grimes]

This ignorance here is brilliant. Here's a version with subtitles. I love how they are laughing thinking its a prank and then are flabbergasted when it hits.

I can imagine the conversation with their commander afterwards.
Commander: "why the F didn't you warn us it was coming or even try to shoot it down?"
Soldier: "sorry. I was too busy filming it for my tiktok video. On the plus side we got a whole load likes for it.".