Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 5 - thread rules updated

[barreness]

I'd argue that you and I were both almost identical in our idealism and political positions.
But what changed was when you moved from correctly opposing Western imperialism, to you being tricked into thinking you're opposing Western imperialism by supporting Western imperialism from Putin.

As I've attempted for years and days to engage with you on this, as I've seen the same radicalisation happen to a handful of other people I respect and care for. I've given up trying to find a way with you.

My close family member was a lot of work, but is now 'neutral' compared to praising of Putin's actions.
One of the best ways of reaching them, was to address the impact on children.

Unfortunately it's deaf ears for you for whatever reason.

So yes. You think you're being realistic. But in any other conversation if I explained to you that an invading force is taking children and distributing those children amongst their population, you'd understandably oppose it.
But because it's Russia doing it, you defend and support the displacement of children as a necessity.


I've no idea how to reach you or help you. And I don't think I care to anymore, because your beliefs are now so warped that I don't think you'd even recognise yourself if you addressed yourself.

Not an unfair take. Lost in the sauce to some extent

Putin is an imperialist no doubt, the uncritical support of Ukraine is what gets me deep into this stuff.
The kids stuff is a propaganda point though really, as we've discussed it's similar to 'but we must educate the girls of Afghanistan'. No one can really disagree with this but it's used to justify imperialism.

The whole of europe gearing up for war is crazy, that's the thing that actually concerns me. Just give Russia Ukraine ffs, it's not worth it for anyone, Ukrainians included

 

[CM86]

Must admit, I've gone far too deep on this war

I'm sorry I'm being so obtuse and offensive. I still value your input in other areas.
I think I've let things become too personal, due to the more direct personal interactions I've had in this area.

 

[Zidane98]

The whole of europe gearing up for war is crazy, that's the thing that actually concerns me. Just give Russia Ukraine ffs, it's not worth it for anyone, Ukrainians included

That's exactly what happened with the Munich agreement with Hitler and Czechoslovakia.

Europe isn't making the same mistake again with Putin. It isn't worth it. The days of empirical expansion are over.

It's going on 4 years now for the invasion. Not long before Pedo Putin finally realises Ukraine isn't worth it for Russia and that Ukrainians will never accept being a puppet Russian state again.

That or a hero of Russia assassinates the filthy scumbag.

 

[wannabejack]

..... Just give Russia Ukraine ffs, it's not worth it for anyone, Ukrainians included

“Just give russia Ukraine ffs.”
Why stop there.
Just give russia Latvia ffs. Just give russia Lithuania ffs.
Ukrainians don’t want to be part of russia. Only Ukrainians can decide if they want to be part of russia and not reprobates like you and putin.

 

[Mobbs]

Putin is an imperialist no doubt, the uncritical support of Ukraine is what gets me deep into this stuff.

As soon as I see the part where Ukrainians being oppressed with a view to erasure is their own damn fault, I'll be among the first to criticise them.

For now the culpability seems just a little bit too Russiany.

 

[Zidane98]

 

[StFly]

I guess my confusion is about why they'd use such a clearly false claim. I mean, they could simply have sent a few of their own drones towards the residence (at least into the friggin oblast!) and shot them down. That way they'd at least have some debris and some townsfolk videos.

Is the inherent point for mine.

Russian propaganda in a way works via brute force, flood the zone where the persons that are the target dunno if it's day, night, up, down and just accept that words are there to consider, facts be damned.

This occurred around the time frame that Zel and Trump were together, so a good shit stirrer just needs to then know "I need to chat about something" to flood the zone, and hey drone reports in adjoining and actual areas, then cry bingo to shift a narrative. We're also not the target, Ukraine, EU and USA are and we all know trump and his famous 2 weeks and penchant to just stream his consciousness everywhere all the time in all caps, so give the man reason to piss into the wind and have an immobile USA and a Ukraine trying to dismiss this nonsense instead of speaking about peace and progress.

Also, it was from Lavrov originally, surprised the man got out of bed, as if he's going to commission random drones to make an effort.

 

[Mobbs]

What. The actual. ****.

[NOEL Reports]
Ukraine’s GUR staged the death of Russian Volunteer Corps commander Denis Kapustin, duping Russian intelligence into paying $500,000 for his “elimination.” The money will now fund Ukrainian special forces. The month-long operation identified both the Russian planners and hired executors. Budanov welcomed Kapustin back, praising the flawless execution of the op.

Kapustin Alive After Foiled Russian Hit Plot, Ukraine’s HUR Says

Kapustin had previously been reported dead in a Russian drone attack whilst carrying out a combat mission in the southeastern Zaporizhzhia region on Saturday, Dec. 27.

www.kyivpost.com

Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate (HUR) helped Denis Kapustin, the founder of the Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC) who was announced dead last week, to fake his death before claiming the bounty placed on his head by Russian security services, it said on Thursday.

Russian Volunteer Corps Leader Is Still Alive, Ukraine’s GUR Says - The Moscow Times

The founder and leader of the Russian Volunteer Corps, a far-right paramilitary group fighting alongside Ukrainian forces, is alive, Ukraine’s GUR military intelligence agency said Thursday, days after Russia claimed he had been killed on the front lines.

www.themoscowtimes.com

The founder and leader of the Russian Volunteer Corps, a far-right paramilitary group fighting alongside Ukrainian forces, is alive, Ukraine’s GUR military intelligence agency said Thursday, days after Russia claimed he had been killed on the front lines.

Will look for something more concrete on this. If true, it's next level.

 

[Zidane98]

What. The actual. ****.

[NOEL Reports]
Ukraine’s GUR staged the death of Russian Volunteer Corps commander Denis Kapustin, duping Russian intelligence into paying $500,000 for his “elimination.” The money will now fund Ukrainian special forces. The month-long operation identified both the Russian planners and hired executors. Budanov welcomed Kapustin back, praising the flawless execution of the op.

Kapustin Alive After Foiled Russian Hit Plot, Ukraine’s HUR Says

Kapustin had previously been reported dead in a Russian drone attack whilst carrying out a combat mission in the southeastern Zaporizhzhia region on Saturday, Dec. 27.

www.kyivpost.com

Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate (HUR) helped Denis Kapustin, the founder of the Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC) who was announced dead last week, to fake his death before claiming the bounty placed on his head by Russian security services, it said on Thursday.

Russian Volunteer Corps Leader Is Still Alive, Ukraine’s GUR Says - The Moscow Times

The founder and leader of the Russian Volunteer Corps, a far-right paramilitary group fighting alongside Ukrainian forces, is alive, Ukraine’s GUR military intelligence agency said Thursday, days after Russia claimed he had been killed on the front lines.

www.themoscowtimes.com

The founder and leader of the Russian Volunteer Corps, a far-right paramilitary group fighting alongside Ukrainian forces, is alive, Ukraine’s GUR military intelligence agency said Thursday, days after Russia claimed he had been killed on the front lines.

Will look for something more concrete on this. If true, it's next level.

This would top operation spiderweb in terms of military embarrassment for Russia. Ukranians are clever & innovative while Putin uses meatwave tactics & brute force against the civilian population.

All of our resident vatniks won't be able to blame the US either for this one just like operation spiderweb.

Infact, Trump is on Putin's side. Ukraine continuing on shows just how determined it is to reject Putin's imposed fascism & subjugation.

 

[TedDougChris]

What. The actual. ****.

[NOEL Reports]
Ukraine’s GUR staged the death of Russian Volunteer Corps commander Denis Kapustin, duping Russian intelligence into paying $500,000 for his “elimination.” The money will now fund Ukrainian special forces. The month-long operation identified both the Russian planners and hired executors. Budanov welcomed Kapustin back, praising the flawless execution of the op.

Kapustin Alive After Foiled Russian Hit Plot, Ukraine’s HUR Says

Kapustin had previously been reported dead in a Russian drone attack whilst carrying out a combat mission in the southeastern Zaporizhzhia region on Saturday, Dec. 27.

www.kyivpost.com

Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate (HUR) helped Denis Kapustin, the founder of the Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC) who was announced dead last week, to fake his death before claiming the bounty placed on his head by Russian security services, it said on Thursday.

Russian Volunteer Corps Leader Is Still Alive, Ukraine’s GUR Says - The Moscow Times

The founder and leader of the Russian Volunteer Corps, a far-right paramilitary group fighting alongside Ukrainian forces, is alive, Ukraine’s GUR military intelligence agency said Thursday, days after Russia claimed he had been killed on the front lines.

www.themoscowtimes.com

The founder and leader of the Russian Volunteer Corps, a far-right paramilitary group fighting alongside Ukrainian forces, is alive, Ukraine’s GUR military intelligence agency said Thursday, days after Russia claimed he had been killed on the front lines.

Will look for something more concrete on this. If true, it's next level.

i did read this earlier from another source mate !

 

[Mobbs]

i did read this earlier from another source mate !

Yeah that's 3 sources up there, too.

Now there's a claim that Ukraine struck some place in occupied Kherson oblast and civilians died. Seems like a copycat lie.

I call it Gladkov disease. After the governor of Belgorod who keeps reporting things that didn't happen.

 

[StFly]

Yeah that's 3 sources up there, too.

Now there's a claim that Ukraine struck some place in occupied Kherson oblast and civilians died. Seems like a copycat lie.

I call it Gladkov disease. After the governor of Belgorod who keeps reporting things that didn't happen.

Nah this one has proof in a way, though I have a great many questions.


The Jezeera of Als post fire image on the 2nd of Jan.


Guvner death wishes image

Firstly;
This person has a death wish if this was an external of any sort and there was a wind gust of any description as you are face to face with a wind gust of flame straight to your face as you are like 5m from it.

Secondly; the jezeera of Als image show zero external fire damage, I know this as in a prior time my fence burned down and I had to evacuate in the process, so I have personally dealt with how earth and trees and shit looks after fire damage to such things. This image is not that in any literal capacity. That fence should not exist for example, there are several things that should not exist in that image from such a fierce flame in the direct vicinity.

For mine, since I also work with tools and deal with documents and things to do with chemicals and making of batteries and actual chemical as a tech guy, this has implosion all over it. The "obvious" is the walls moving outwards from an internal force ejection of some kind. Bricks don't move that way unless pushed by something or you have a few thousand RPM to ruin things or something pushing from the inside with a wider flat piece to push instead of pierce.

Now Google have a July 2020 image where you can literally enter this place. There are three lovely ladies standing in front of the counter with the kitchen behind it and dining all around it, so you can tell in fire image that it was the kitchen that got set aflame as I doubt Russia well tore everything up and reshuffled where lines were run. Hence if external, that man in fire image has death wish.

So Fact: yep, location.
Was there a fire there? Yep.
Questions: Literally everything else claimed by media. Time, fuel, cause, damage, what occurred at the time, everything.

My assumptions;
2020: Exterior is green and there's a wall there.
2025: there's rocks there, it's stripped back to grey as there is a cover of some description there, likely front next doors covering as that is a cafe with similar colours.
This is likely a barricaded instance of some kind as a wall or section of got removed, flap is likely the cover for the entry point, it was cleared likely to allow transport in and out, rocks and clearing were used to act as cover from street level as easy clearing for heavier loads. A row of dining chairs were to act as cover that yep, dining, from outside eyes.
As an active kitchen area, and as I have had; my fence burn down, and had things stolen and been told by police to stay inside and away from windows before as said neighbours were cooking and it was obvious to one affected by thefts and next door;
Russia was cooking, no revelling was taking place, something went wrong and explosion+implosion occurred, they're blaming Ukraine for it, so false flag instance.

Thanks Moscow Times for geo locating location. I hope death wish person got treated for smoke inhalation as

 

[Mobbs]

Nah this one has proof in a way, though I have a great many questions.

View attachment 2504170
The Jezeera of Als post fire image on the 2nd of Jan.

View attachment 2504172
Guvner death wishes image

Firstly;
This person has a death wish if this was an external of any sort and there was a wind gust of any description as you are face to face with a wind gust of flame straight to your face as you are like 5m from it.

Secondly; the jezeera of Als image show zero external fire damage, I know this as in a prior time my fence burned down and I had to evacuate in the process, so I have personally dealt with how earth and trees and shit looks after fire damage to such things. This image is not that in any literal capacity. That fence should not exist for example, there are several things that should not exist in that image from such a fierce flame in the direct vicinity.

For mine, since I also work with tools and deal with documents and things to do with chemicals and making of batteries and actual chemical as a tech guy, this has implosion all over it. The "obvious" is the walls moving outwards from an internal force ejection of some kind. Bricks don't move that way unless pushed by something or you have a few thousand RPM to ruin things or something pushing from the inside with a wider flat piece to push instead of pierce.

Now Google have a July 2020 image where you can literally enter this place. There are three lovely ladies standing in front of the counter with the kitchen behind it and dining all around it, so you can tell in fire image that it was the kitchen that got set aflame as I doubt Russia well tore everything up and reshuffled where lines were run. Hence if external, that man in fire image has death wish.

So Fact: yep, location.
Was there a fire there? Yep.
Questions: Literally everything else claimed by media. Time, fuel, cause, damage, what occurred at the time, everything.

My assumptions;
2020: Exterior is green and there's a wall there.
2025: there's rocks there, it's stripped back to grey as there is a cover of some description there, likely front next doors covering as that is a cafe with similar colours.
This is likely a barricaded instance of some kind as a wall or section of got removed, flap is likely the cover for the entry point, it was cleared likely to allow transport in and out, rocks and clearing were used to act as cover from street level as easy clearing for heavier loads. A row of dining chairs were to act as cover that yep, dining, from outside eyes.
As an active kitchen area, and as I have had; my fence burn down, and had things stolen and been told by police to stay inside and away from windows before as said neighbours were cooking and it was obvious to one affected by thefts and next door;
Russia was cooking, no revelling was taking place, something went wrong and explosion+implosion occurred, they're blaming Ukraine for it, so false flag instance.

Thanks Moscow Times for geo locating location. I hope death wish person got treated for smoke inhalation as

There's no doubt it happened. The claim is that it was a Ukrainian strike with civilian casualties. What's more likely is that it was a Ukrainian strike with military casualties.

 

[Visions]

What. The actual. ****.

[NOEL Reports]
Ukraine’s GUR staged the death of Russian Volunteer Corps commander Denis Kapustin, duping Russian intelligence into paying $500,000 for his “elimination.” The money will now fund Ukrainian special forces. The month-long operation identified both the Russian planners and hired executors. Budanov welcomed Kapustin back, praising the flawless execution of the op.

http://[URL='https://www.kyivpost.c...ps://www.kyivpost.com/post/67268[/URL[/COLOR]

]
Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate (HUR) helped Denis Kapustin, the founder of the Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC) who was announced dead last week, to fake his death before claiming the bounty placed on his head by Russian security services, it said on Thursday.

http://[URL='https://www.themoscowt...l-alive-ukraines-gur-says-a91599[/URL[/COLOR]

]
The founder and leader of the Russian Volunteer Corps, a far-right paramilitary group fighting alongside Ukrainian forces, is alive, Ukraine’s GUR military intelligence agency said Thursday, days after Russia claimed he had been killed on the front lines.

Will look for something more concrete on this. If true, it's next level.

There's footage of him in a meeting yesterday with Budanov to corroborate his Lazarus moment.

lol. Russia paying Ukraine $500,000 USD to fight against it. Absolute genius.

They should send the Russians a Nigerian prince email next.

In other news there were reports Kadyrov had to be taken to emergency at a Moscow hospital the night before a scheduled meeting with Putin on Christmas day. Unfortunately it seems they were able to resuscitate him and he has returned to Chechnya but hasn't been seen in public since.

 

[Zidane98]

This Russian milblogger probably should steer clear of windows for awhile:




Just let Russia survive FFS.

Putin is destroying the place.

 

[Aussie in exile]

This Russian milblogger probably should steer clear of windows for awhile:




Just let Russia survive FFS.

Putin is destroying the place.

putin is destroying russia for his own ego, and if he had any sort of intelligence he should withdraw all russian and north korean forces from Ukrainian territory, but he hasn't so he wont.
The russian economy will take many decades to recover from putins illegal invasion of Ukraine and his ego if ever, as it can only be a matter of time before China walks into Eastern russia to claim all that oil and gas there, and there is nothing that russia will be able to do about it.