Warner and where is he amongst great openers

[Run n Spread]

Very good player. On his day and on his turf lethal. Not up there with the all time greats thou. Hit a purple patch 13-14 till mid 15 where he blitzed but otherwise yeah.........very good.

 

[JackOutback]

Are people reassessing how he compares to Hayden and Langer?

 

[NTRabbit]

Are people reassessing how he compares to Hayden and Langer?

I'm wavering between not fit to tie their shoes, and not fit to polish their shoes

Overseas record since Warner hit his last overseas century, on the wily deck of the UAE in 2014

Smith 15 tests 1484 runs @ 64.52 with 6 centuries (half the centuries scored by Australia overseas during that period)

Warnee 15 tests 835 runs @ 30.92 with 0 centuries

All he's ever known how to do is throw the bat on a flat deck, and it's all he'll ever know, because he doesn't have the brains to do anything else, like adjust to overseas conditions, or changing circumstances between innings.

 

[to1994]

If he fails in the second innings they could really prove a point by dropping him for Khawaja in the last Test. They'll never do it though.

 

[Wolfs]

If he fails in the second innings they could really prove a point by dropping him for Khawaja in the last Test. They'll never do it though.

And what point is that?

 

[to1994]

And what point is that?

Warner's failed on the sub continent for a while now, Khawaja deserves a chance to show he's improved and I wouldn't drop anyone else for the last Test.

 

[Scotland]

All he's ever known how to do is throw the bat on a flat deck, and it's all he'll ever know, because he doesn't have the brains to do anything else, like adjust to overseas conditions, or changing circumstances between innings.

Not really true. He scores big when the ball comes onto the bat. He averages 27 from 10 innings in the lifeless West Indies, while Adam Voges is talked down for averaging 167 on the same pitches. Agree he doesn't handle changing conditions well.

Give Warner pace and bounce and he'll probably score 100 striking at 80+ while others will get out edging one off the shoulder to the slips trying to handle the extra bounce. When the ball is flying around he backs himself to pick the gaps or get enough on it to beat the field. From what I can gather (not watching yet) today's pitch isn't doing a great deal and he once again managed to get himself out.

 

[Wolfs]

Warner's failed on the sub continent for a while now, Khawaja deserves a chance to show he's improved and I wouldn't drop anyone else for the last Test.

Yeah but that really doesn'tgive a message to Warner. "Oh hey improve on the Sub Continent which you won't be playing in tests for a while"

 

[to1994]

Yeah but that really doesn'tgive a message to Warner. "Oh hey improve on the Sub Continent which you won't be playing in tests for a while"

You can't just endlessly keep picking him though hoping for something to change. I guess you could just wait until next tour to make a call but if you give Khawaja a Test and he makes a hard fought fifty then it gives you some options.

 

[Wolfs]

You can't just endlessly keep picking him though hoping for something to change. I guess you could just wait until next tour to make a call but if you give Khawaja a Test and he makes a hard fought fifty then it gives you some options.

PLayers have bad tours. This isn't footy where you can just drop someone for a couple of weekends and bring them back.

 

[to1994]

PLayers have bad tours. This isn't footy where you can just drop someone for a couple of weekends and bring them back.

He was terrible last time he toured here too, it's more then a bad tour, he's poor in these conditions. We dropped Khawaja for that reason despite him only have a small sample size in the sub continent.

 

[Wolfs]

He was terrible last time he toured here too, it's more then a bad tour, he's poor in these conditions. We dropped Khawaja for that reason despite him only have a small sample size in the sub continent.

2011 series v Sri Lanka - 21, 26, 13*
2016 series v. Sri Lanka - 26, 18, 11, 0

Wouldn't call it a small sample size but wouldn't call it big either.

 

[The_Reaper]

Yeah but that really doesn'tgive a message to Warner. "Oh hey improve on the Sub Continent which you won't be playing in tests for a while"

Our next series is in Asia

 

[The_Reaper]

He was terrible last time he toured here too, it's more then a bad tour, he's poor in these conditions. We dropped Khawaja for that reason despite him only have a small sample size in the sub continent.

Khawaja has 16 first class innings in Asia

 

[Bradesmaen]

PLayers have bad tours. This isn't footy where you can just drop someone for a couple of weekends and bring them back.

There are bad tours and there are bad careers away from home. He's on the latter

 

[Wolfs]

Our next series is in Asia

B'desh right?

I don't think dropping Warner one of the better bats in the team for Khawaja who's struggled v. spin even in England will help anyone's cause.

 

[to1994]

B'desh right?

I don't think dropping Warner one of the better bats in the team for Khawaja who's struggled v. spin even in England will help anyone's cause.

Why is Warner one of our better bats in the team in these conditions? He's been mediocre in two straight India tours along with Sri Lanka. I don't think Khawaja is our savior by any means but someone deserves a go. If not Khawaja who else?

 

[SterlingArcher]

Jury stands on whether he actually contributes to the side on the subcontinent anymore than a 'spin specialist' does, rather than Warners fast deck and 'natural game' approach, yes. But just for comparisons sake, S.Marsh is averaging 19 this series and Handscomb 20, two guys a lot more well-equipped than Warner (averaging tick over 23).

I'd say Marsh and Handscomb are much more equipped to handle the conditions than any batsman left out of our squad, so on that logic (well, I think it's logic), Warner can't be dropped on this run.

He's certainly no Smith though and he certainly is a flat track bully.

 

[Power Raid]

He's batting in arguably the best ever era in terms of batting comforts for openers, few attacks have depth in fast bowling, most - not all - the pitches he plays on are very friendly for batting, players are more used to travelling now than at any time in history, yet he continues deteriorate in terms of his all-round output between the good conditions and the tough.

I'm not sure if stats back this up or not, but I even think that the disparity of runs from when the match is even (ie. batting first) to when his team is on top (ie. batting second with a lead) is starting to be more evident.

yep true

For me Haydn sits in a similar camp by not having to face Australia's bowling attack; and

even Bradman wasn't as good as the stats suggest as he had it easy with 8 ball overs, no time limits to wear down bowlers and faced up against other amateurs. We have to remember the games was weakened by the fact men had to provide for their families, in the times of the depression or post war, rather than play cricket.

All that guys like Warner can do, like Haydn and Bradman, is make the most of the opportunities and challenges that present.

PS I am not comparing Warner to Bradman, just highlighting the context and making the most of the times

 

[DrEvil_]

Flat track bully confirmed.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

There are bad tours and there are bad careers away from home. He's on the latter

Not quite true, his record in South Africa is pretty good. If there is no pace in the pitch, he struggles. Apart from that one short series in the UAE.

 

[PhatBoy]

Not quite true, his record in South Africa is pretty good. If there is no pace in the pitch, he struggles. Apart from that one short series in the UAE.

Pace in the pitch is fine for him, he can throw his hands through the ball with veritable impunity.
It's when that pace is combined with unexpected bounce and any real sideways movement that it becomes a problem. In the series he's played in SA (I think there's only been two of them), most of the decks have been reasonable for batting on.

 

[Topkent]

Unfortunately for warner maxwells century if he scored it will make him look a little silly. Shows what application can achieve

 

[Blue1980]

Warner has done well in England and South Africa, sub continent is his problem.

He certainly isn't as good as the foamers in the channel 9 commentary box make out when he's hitting a disinterested Pakistan for a century before lunch.

In terms of opening batsmen I've seen for Australia, I would take Hayden and Langer over him. He's probably more on par with Taylor and Slater.

I judge players by how they go in series like this, which is why Smith should be held in the highest esteem for what he is doing.

 

[Blue1980]

His application has actually been pretty good on this tour much better than in SL, sad reality is all out attack or more cautious he just isn't a very good batsmen unless he is on a certain type of track.

We all wanted to think with a more controlled approach he could dominate all over the world but i just don't think he is up to it.

Hopefully if we bowl them out cheaply he can bang out a quick hundred in the second dig