Warner

[JG22]

Needs a test hundred before India

 

[Topkent]

No it doesn't but it highlights the fact that this was a guy who didn't have to be in familiar surroundings to contribute.

I'm sure if offered the choice, most players would take being a great away player over being great at home (obviously most would choose both if they could, of course).

Dravid is so revered by proper Indian fans (ie the non Tendulkar fan boys) because he was the player who started to win them games away from India.

While he's not the batting colossus that Kallis, Amla and ABDV are, Smith's ability to play meaningful knocks in big games overseas (even in Australia where he averaged a shade under 40 he scored a century in the 400 chase at Perth and another in the Adelaide draw) make him a huge figure in their recent Era

Your a weird campaigner, talking up smith's ability in Australia but dismissing Warners effort in south Africa

The guys not one of our greats but you have a weird obsession with talking him down with stats of your choice
He was our only batsmen to succeed in the UK and was unlucky not to hit a century or 2

Poor in Asia, so was Hayden on his first tour before he learnt how to sweep
Give Warner a second tour of India before he is declared the shittest opener of all time by you

 

[Bradesmaen]

Your a weird campaigner, talking up smith's ability in Australia but dismissing Warners effort in south Africa

The guys not one of our greats but you have a weird obsession with talking him down with stats of your choice
He was our only batsmen to succeed in the UK and was unlucky not to hit a century or 2

Poor in Asia, so was Hayden on his first tour before he learnt how to sweep
Give Warner a second tour of India before he is declared the shittest opener of all time by you

Hasn't changed his style in 3 Asian tours..

 

[Topkent]

Hasn't changed his style in 3 Asian tours..

Poor in India I ment, warner was good in the UAE and then shit in Sri Lanka, again needs another tour of India before he can be judged

If he was scoring centuries in India and Sri Lanka his average would bring him in line with Ponting Hayden and Hussey

 

[Bradesmaen]

Poor in India I ment, warner was good in the UAE and then shit in Sri Lanka, again needs another tour of India before he can be judged

If he was scoring centuries in India and Sri Lanka his average would bring him in line with Ponting Hayden and Hussey

UAE while in Asia, is not really counted. The conditions are not the same. Hence shit in his 3 Asian tours and always will be because he's an average batsman with not much talent and a lot of luck.

 

[Topkent]

UAE while in Asia, is not really counted. The conditions are not the same. Hence shit in his 3 Asian tours and always will be because he's an average batsman with not much talent and a lot of luck.

It's not counted because it doesn't suit your narrative
Not much talent and a lot of luck
Okey m8

 

[Bradesmaen]

It's not counted because it doesn't suit your narrative
Not much talent and a lot of luck
Okey m8

Because it's not the subcontinent where you have humid dust bowls.. it's dry heat

 

[The Passenger]

Brade's every time Warner fails.

But given he scores a half century 35% of the time he comes out to bat (7th highest of any Australian with 2500 runs above the likes of Hussey, Border, Simpson, Harvey, Lawry, both Waughs et al) then there's usually more of this.

 

[Topkent]

UAE while in Asia, is not really counted. The conditions are not the same. Hence shit in his 3 Asian tours and always will be because he's an average batsman with not much talent and a lot of luck.

It's only not counted because it works against your stupid theory mate
Hasn't been great in India and Lanka but until he tours India again I'm not calling him a failure

 

[Bradesmaen]

It's only not counted because it works against your stupid theory mate
Hasn't been great in India and Lanka but until he tours India again I'm not calling him a failure

No, that's like counting Australia in Asia and saying he's good in Asia because of that, even though conditions are completely opposite

 

[Topkent]

No, that's like counting Australia in Asia and saying he's good in Asia because of that, even though conditions are completely opposite

14 of 20 wickets were taken by the Pakistan Spinners in the Dubai test Warner scored a century
They took 12 of 20 in the second test in Abu Dhabi where warner scored a half century

Australias only score above 250 for the series was because Warner hit 133 which was 100 more than any other aussie batsmen managed in the innings

Again your stupid argument is exposed as nothing but biased bullshit

 

[Bradesmaen]

14 of 20 wickets were taken by the Pakistan Spinners in the Dubai test Warner scored a century
They took 12 of 20 in the second test in Abu Dhabi where warner scored a half century

Australias only score above 250 for the series was because Warner hit 133 which was 100 more than any other aussie batsmen managed in the innings

Again your stupid argument is exposed as nothing but biased bullshit

And Warne took a heap of wickets in Australia, therefore Australia is subcontinental. Your logic is awesome

 

[Topkent]

And Warne took a heap of wickets in Australia, therefore Australia is subcontinental. Your logic is awesome

Face it ive embarrassed you if thats the best you could fire back with, ive come up with logical and statistical backed arguments and you use the only spinner who has ever succeeded in australia as your retort... amatuer

 

[Bradesmaen]

Yes completely, even though you haven't proven anything at all. The UAE is not subcontinental, end of story.

 

[Topkent]

Yes completely, even though you haven't proven anything at all. The UAE is not subcontinental, end of story.

Yet spinners dominate there .. end of story

 

[PhatBoy]

Your a weird campaigner, talking up smith's ability in Australia but dismissing Warners effort in south Africa

The guys not one of our greats but you have a weird obsession with talking him down with stats of your choice
He was our only batsmen to succeed in the UK and was unlucky not to hit a century or 2

Poor in Asia, so was Hayden on his first tour before he learnt how to sweep
Give Warner a second tour of India before he is declared the shittest opener of all time by you

??? How have I dismissed it?

For the 50th time, I don't need to.

His 5 failures overseas do it for me


Those 5 failures automatically make his SA efforts an exception rather than a rule.

Smith'a successes overseas make his Australian efforts an exception rather than a rule.

How hard is that to comprehend?

If a boxer wins a world title but loses his next half a dozen fights, I don't have to try and talk down his world title win to show that he's not quite a great of the sport - I can just point to the half dozen losses.

 

[PhatBoy]

Brade's every time Warner fails.

But given he scores a half century 35% of the time he comes out to bat (7th highest of any Australian with 2500 runs above the likes of Hussey, Border, Simpson, Harvey, Lawry, both Waughs et al) then there's usually more of this.

All hail Punchy Dave, king of the 3rd innings no pressure special

 

[PhatBoy]

Face it ive embarrassed you if thats the best you could fire back with, ive come up with logical and statistical backed arguments and you use the only spinner who has ever succeeded in australia as your retort... amatuer

We've come up with logical and statistical arguments as to why there are holes in Warner's decent but flattering record but it hasn't stopped you banging on like a perpetually looped bass drum about how he's better than a hybrid of Gordon Greenidge and Jack Hobbs.

 

[Topkent]

We've come up with logical and statistical arguments as to why there are holes in Warner's decent but flattering record but it hasn't stopped you banging on like a perpetually looped bass drum about how he's better than a hybrid of Gordon Greenidge and Jack Hobbs.

Nah see I've never said he's a great nor a modern great just that he's better than you 2 blokes give him credit for

??? How have I dismissed it?

For the 50th time, I don't need to.

His 5 failures overseas do it for me


Those 5 failures automatically make his SA efforts an exception rather than a rule.

Smith'a successes overseas make his Australian efforts an exception rather than a rule.

How hard is that to comprehend?

If a boxer wins a world title but loses his next half a dozen fights, I don't have to try and talk down his world title win to show that he's not quite a great of the sport - I can just point to the half dozen losses.

Except in your stupid analogy he hasn't lost his next half a dozen fights he has won them all at his weight class and then lost them at his opponents yet your trying to say that winning at his doesn't count because it's familiar to him

 

[PhatBoy]

Nah see I've never said he's a great nor a modern great just that he's better than you 2 blokes give him credit for


Except in your stupid analogy he hasn't lost his next half a dozen fights he has won them all at his weight class and then lost them at his opponents yet your trying to say that winning at his doesn't count because it's familiar to him

That's a fair analogy.

But I'd you compare him to others who do win in the less comfortable divisions he looks inferior.

No one has said he's shit.

But rightly people have said there is a knock on him unless he rectifies the situation, and honestly, can you see him doing that anytime soon? Even at home at the moment he's struggling a bit. If I had to guess I'd say hell be lucky to average 20 in India next year

 

[Topkent]

That's a fair analogy.

But I'd you compare him to others who do win in the less comfortable divisions he looks inferior.

No one has said he's shit.

But rightly people have said there is a knock on him unless he rectifies the situation, and honestly, can you see him doing that anytime soon? Even at home at the moment he's struggling a bit. If I had to guess I'd say hell be lucky to average 20 in India next year

I can't speak for anyone else and I'm not arguing his record in India and Sri Lanka isn't poor
At the same time you have to acknowledge his record against SA and then the UAE games is good whilst he was our best in the UK

That doesn't make him a great cricketer in overseas conditions it makes him an average one for sure
I'm willing to give him another tour of India before I give up on him and at his age he probably has another after that
Will he unfortunate if he can't find form before he heads there though

 

[PhatBoy]

I can't speak for anyone else and I'm not arguing his record in India and Sri Lanka isn't poor
At the same time you have to acknowledge his record against SA and then the UAE games is good whilst he was our best in the UK

That doesn't make him a great cricketer in overseas conditions it makes him an average one for sure
I'm willing to give him another tour of India before I give up on him and at his age he probably has another after that
Will he unfortunate if he can't find form before he heads there though

Smith was our leading run scorer in England and Rogers was our man of the series. He was decent over there but not quite dominant.

 

[Topkent]

Smith was our leading run scorer in England and Rogers was our man of the series. He was decent over there but not quite dominant.

Scored a half century in every game, nothing to write home about but almost a very good series

Rogers had also played probably 10 years cricket in England before going there something blokes don't get to do anymore

 

[The Swans Blog]

he's an average batsman with not much talent and a lot of luck.

Not much talent you say..

 

[The Swans Blog]

Yes completely, even though you haven't proven anything at all. The UAE is not subcontinental, end of story.

You lost the argument and you look like an idiot. Give up.