Warner

[Punchy Bassett]

Anyone got a link to his other comments which I fully support by the way. **** India!

 

[BarneyBent]

Anyone got a link to his other comments which I fully support by the way. **** India!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/story/549289.html

Not sure how much the video includes, but it's some of the stuff not in that other video.

 

[aussie1st]

Cheers. So the bit where he was mouthing off about India's future was edited out I take it.

Interesting how a traditionally gentlemanly game like cricket has far more trash talking in the media than we ever see in footy.

2.50 is where he talks about it.

 

[aussie1st]

Warner and Cowan should be the way forward, I liked the combo when it was first announced and this match is the perfect example of how well it is working. Plus the way Clarke uses the 4th seamer, Watson will be bowling more overs so he needs to be pushed down the order. Where on earth he goes is another question as Marsh's spot is the only one really open so maybe we need to put Ponting back to 3 and Watson at 4.

 

[Bombers_Forever]

I still think Watson would be ideal at number 3 - you can't break up this partnership if he is fit.

 

[The Passenger]

Of course the odd couple pairing works with regard to batting style. It's more their personality styles I'm talking about. Cowan is a "silvertail" private school boy, an academic, a writer and a thinker, somewhat like Mike Hussey, who is a self-professed "nerd" of the game. Warner is a rough-as-guts Westie who speaks in cliches, doesn't worry about anything but his job and struggles a bit with diction (not that he's dumb, he's quite insightful when he wants to be, but it's fair to say he's not a great verbal communicator). When it comes to the conceptual divide between the north/east and west of Sydney (see stereotypes between Swans and GWS), they are pretty much the cricketing embodiment.

except that Warner is a born and bred Mattraville boy right in the middle of the Eastern Suburbs

Him and Ed both played for Easts in Green Shield, albeit about 4 or 5 years apart.

But Dave is pretty rough around the edge. very rough actually. A valuable lesson was made for Dave when him and Mark Cosgrove were chucked out of the cricket academy about five or six years ago and there was the possibility his cricketing future could go the way of his brother, who wasn't far behind dave in the talent stakes, but blew up after he left school. He has matured a hell of a lot since then, and since he first came onto the international scene. Someone from Easts told me he was getting coaches in public speaking by Kenny Sutcliffe but not sure if that's true.

 

[Borisdog]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Warner feeding a few comments to the Indians about their future. It's only his opinion, everyone has them.

As far as a bit of sledging goes, anyone who's played at any level at all knows that some days you're the rooster and some days you're the feather duster. If you get fed it on the day that you're not doing so well you just suck it up and return the favour when it's your day. Some blokes like to talk it up, some don't.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a highly combative opening batsman who can do what he did yesterday, both during and after play.

 

[Bomber Bears]

except that Warner is a born and bred Mattraville boy right in the middle of the Eastern Suburbs

Him and Ed both played for Easts in Green Shield, albeit about 4 or 5 years apart.

But Dave is pretty rough around the edge. very rough actually. A valuable lesson was made for Dave when him and Mark Cosgrove were chucked out of the cricket academy about five or six years ago and there was the possibility his cricketing future could go the way of his brother, who wasn't far behind dave in the talent stakes, but blew up after he left school. He has matured a hell of a lot since then, and since he first came onto the international scene. Someone from Easts told me he was getting coaches in public speaking by Kenny Sutcliffe but not sure if that's true.

Was going to say that, Warner's an Easts junior (rare in any sport!).

Played rugby league as a youngster as well

 

[The Passenger]

Was going to say that, Warner's an Easts junior (rare in any sport!).

unfortunately yes too many soft ***** in this part of the world... which i actually think comes more from the parents than the kids.... so when you do get really talented youngsters they don't get enough competition until they progress into representative sport, which still only makes a small portion of what they play.

i reckon ed cowan suffered from this. he took a long time to settle into first grade cricket and i reckon a massive reason was because he hadn't recieved the competition he needed as a youngster. he was given special dispensation around about 2000 to play first grade in his senior year at cranbrook rather than school cricket, which no one could remember it having been done before for a CAS schoolboy. If you think the state of club cricket in the Eastern Suburbs is bad, the private school system is a joke. Ed's the first Sydney private schol test cricketer since Matt Nicholson (Knox) and Phil Emery (Shore) and i think it was some time before those two... at least that i'm aware of, so happy to be corrected.

i don't know what the situation is now but about a decade ago, easts and randwick were over the moon if 25 kids tried out for green shield. i think randwick's situation has improved a lot since merging with petersham.

i remember one season penrith had in excess of 70 kids try out for their green shield team.

and i'm pretty sure Eastern Suburbs has no junior rugby league competition any more, but has been merged into the South Sydney competition??

 

[Father Jack]

Not sure if the comments have been posted up, but they seem fair enough to me, it's not liek they are wildly inaccurate or anything (assuming these are the comments referred to):

"In my mind, they think they are bowled over already," Warner said. "The challenge I see for them is they have got to work out how they are going to play outside India. I don't know where Indian cricket is going to be at when [Sachin] Tendulkar and [Rahul] Dravid retire over the next couple of years.

"Time will tell if we win 4-0, or if we win 3-0. Hopefully we can get this Test out of the way. Hopefully we can capitalise on the start we have got and win this Test."

...

"If you bowl the fifth or sixth stump line [outside off stump], they don't like leaving the ball," Warner said. "They like trying to hit every ball so if we keep them fishing outside off they are going to nick one. And that's exactly what they have been doing."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/549289.html

 

[Bomber Bears]

unfortunately yes too many soft ***** in this part of the world... which i actually think comes more from the parents than the kids.... so when you do get really talented youngsters they don't get enough competition until they progress into representative sport, which still only makes a small portion of what they play.

i reckon ed cowan suffered from this. he took a long time to settle into first grade cricket and i reckon a massive reason was because he hadn't recieved the competition he needed as a youngster. he was given special dispensation around about 2000 to play first grade in his senior year at cranbrook rather than school cricket, which no one could remember it having been done before for a CAS schoolboy. If you think the state of club cricket in the Eastern Suburbs is bad, the private school system is a joke. Ed's the first Sydney private schol test cricketer since Matt Nicholson (Knox) and Phil Emery (Shore) and i think it was some time before those two... at least that i'm aware of, so happy to be corrected.

i don't know what the situation is now but about a decade ago, easts and randwick were over the moon if 25 kids tried out for green shield. i think randwick's situation has improved a lot since merging with petersham.

i remember one season penrith had in excess of 70 kids try out for their green shield team.

and i'm pretty sure Eastern Suburbs has no junior rugby league competition any more, but has been merged into the South Sydney competition??

Easts junior sides have played in the South Sydney comp for many years, because there's only four clubs (although this is largely the result of some very, very dodgy deals done between Souths and Balmain in the 50's that left Easts with only four clubs, Bondi, Clovelly, Paddington and St Charles, whilst clubs such as Coogee, Coogee-Randwick, Kensington, Moore Park, Matraville are all classed as Souths, whilst Souths also inherited most of Newtowns clubs when they left the comp).

And I know of people who've gone to play for clubs in that area such as Randwick, UNSW in green shield cos they were no chance in their own districts.

As an area of ********s, as you put it, no surprise it's about the only area Rugby Union thrives!

I know when we played junior reps the area was basically represented by 'South Eastern' which seemed to represent Easts, Randwick, St George etc.

The amount of grade clubs both there and on the north shore of Sydney (North Sydney, Mosman, Gordon etc) seems to be a relic of previous times really, population is largely based away from those areas.

The private school point is a good one. Sport in NSW and especially Sydney (apart, of course, from Yawnion) is very much dominated by those from more working class backgrounds. In part it's probably because private schools cherry pick rugby talent and dont care about others, and if you arent at a private school rugby types dont look at you (which is why they have barely any indiginous players). There's a certain hunger born out of, well, more towards the working class end of the spectrum that cant seem to be replicated by those from the more privaliged (sp) backgrounds.

 

[dumb]

lol @ indians saying that warner will only ever be inconsistent like sehwag.

 

[Tulip]

I like how he's 'Davey' Warner now, cult figure status growing. I'm still not sold that he has the consistency yet

 

[Bucking Beads]

lol @ indians saying that warner will only ever be inconsistent like sehwag.

That is a big LOL. If Warner ends up averaging what Shewag does that will be a big win for Australia.

 

[The Gospel]

What score do you think Warner will get......

Im tipping 136

 

[frankrizzo]

I still think Watson would be ideal at number 3 - you can't break up this partnership if he is fit.

We are really going to need watsons bowling on the dead west indies pitches but his time as opener must be at an end.

marsh's spot must be under serious threat for threat the west indies tour, i agree that right now you would say watson comes in at 3 for marsh.

 

[the_interloper]

That is a big LOL. If Warner ends up averaging what Shewag does that will be a big win for Australia.

Yeah this. What other player in history has averaged that much at that strike rate as an opener? Maybe there is someone, can't think of em though.

 

[Caesar]

Still don't like him.

Great innings, but it's an ODI innings. He is still garbage defensively, and it will cost us time and time again when a test innings is needed.

I don't care how good offensively a batsman is - if he can't see off the first 20 overs against quality bowling on a hostile pitch, I don't want him opwn

 

[Bucking Beads]

Still don't like him.

Great innings, but it's an ODI innings. He is still garbage defensively, and it will cost us time and time again when a test innings is needed.

I don't care how good offensively a batsman is - if he can't see off the first 20 overs against quality bowling on a hostile pitch, I don't want him opwn

Hobart test???

 

[CHIEF SMACKAHOE]

definitely needs to calm down

 

[Caesar]

Hobart test???

There is a bit of a difference between seeing off the Kiwis at home and taking on England or India as a tourist.

Watson, Haddin, Ponting, even Clarke - we have plenty of batsmen capable of giving it some stick when the going is good. Perhaps not as quickly I grant you, but it's simply not necessary at test level. What we ARE desperate for is an opener who can grind out a test innings against quality opposition.

Warner is a spud defensively - always has been, always will be. If we take him to England, every innings we will be one down for not very many.

One innings against a minnow like NZ doesn't change that.

 

[Bucking Beads]

If you say so. I look forward to Warner proving you wrong which he will do.

 

[Caesar]

He won't. As long as world pitches continue to liven up after a disgracefully poor decade, Warner will never amount to anything more than a flat track bully and punisher of poor attacks.

Basically a poor man's Matt Hayden. And Hayden is the most overrated Australian batsman of all time.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Flat track bully the most overrated term in world cricket

 

[Caesar]

No; just an unfortunately common blight upon the game in recent decades.