Was he right!!!!

[anchor man]

It is interesting to read and hear people saying how well our young kids are going.It is also intersting to read and hear people say that they will need to be rested.
Remembering we are a full seasson on,when every one was critical of CC not playing the kids,in hind sight was he right?
They were a year younger,their bodys still growing,still boys.
Was CC right,did he make the right call?
Are we now reaping the benefit of his wisdom?
If they had been played last year would they now be broken down because their bodies would not have withstood the rigours of the game.
It will be intersting to hear peoples comments.I know the CC haters will be vitriolic in their abuse but,give me genuine feedback on what you think.
Real football followers will comment in true,the fools will made stupid comment I know.

 

[Avid_Avenger]

It is interesting to read and hear people saying how well our young kids are going.It is also intersting to read and hear people say that they will need to be rested.
Remembering we are a full seasson on,when every one was critical of CC not playing the kids,in hind sight was he right?
They were a year younger,their bodys still growing,still boys.
Was CC right,did he make the right call?
Are we now reaping the benefit of his wisdom?
If they had been played last year would they now be broken down because their bodies would not have withstood the rigours of the game.
It will be intersting to hear peoples comments.I know the CC haters will be vitriolic in their abuse but,give me genuine feedback on what you think.
Real football followers will comment in true,the fools will made stupid comment I know.

I don't think it really applys coz we didn't have many 'kids' back then and most weren't ready.

People are critical that CC never dropped under-performing players or consistently inconconsistent players and continually brought the untouchables back from injury or suspension without them having to 'earn' a spot in the side by playing well in the wafl.

It's the guys like Duff, Gilmore, Webster, Drum etc that CC killed.

It wasn't until Harvs took over that Gilmore flourished.

And we might know whether Drum and Duffield are ever going to make it now had CC given them a consistent go. Duffield's never been given a go on the ball and I agree he normally puts in a shocker in his 2nd game in the team but he's constantly played out of position - put him on the ball, if he doesn't make it, don't play him again. He may not be at the club in 2008 if not for CC's in and out policy.

Ibbo could have benefited from a handful more games and Foster would have played earlier had it not been for CC I believe. Kiwi and Murph should have played more through 2007 than they did and then we could have got rid of one of them post season.

CC did nothing for player development really.

As for that CC could not have played Ibbo for more than 5 games coz he wasn't ready. Brock probably wasn't ready until late in the season. Palmer, Mayne, Hinkley, Head and Keplar obviously weren't on the list. But I believe Mi Johnson and Crowley, integral to us being a succesful side, stagnated in 2007 becoz of CC's selection policy.

 

[Belnakor]

Gilmore and CC had a personality clash from what i'd heard.

 

[theGav56]

Connolly, and the other coaching staff including Harvey, believed we were genuine contenders for the finals, or at least approaching that. They also believed that premierships are won by teams within a certain experience range and selected teams with that in mind. He did however "blood" players like Murphy, Drum, Duffield, Peake, Campbell, Schammer, Dunn etc.

Webster and Duffiled have both been played as often as they have deserved. They are both fringe players who add depth, and who would struggle to make any starting 22 in the league. If they are an integral part of our starting 22 we are not a premiership team.

Gilmore had his career saved by CC who insisted that he play to instruction and to the team's requirements, and when he failed to, despite a personal "good game", dropped him back to the WAFL. He then gave him an opportunity last year which Gilmore to his credit grasped.

I am not a fan of throwing first year players in the deep end, and in an ideal world would prefer a slightly built player like Hinkley getting a development year under his belt before having too much expected from him. For example, next week some people are suggesting he tag Ablett!!!

 

[sumavich]

I am not a fan of throwing first year players in the deep end, and in an ideal world would prefer a slightly built player like Hinkley getting a development year under his belt before having too much expected from him. For example, next week some people are suggesting he tag Ablett!!!

Well Malthouse would disagree, he's of the opinion if they play a position and they are the player in line, they play ala Brown on Pavlich.
I agree with Malthouse, the only time you find out if they are ready is by throwing them to the wolves and see how they go.

 

[theGav56]

Well Malthouse would disagree, he's of the opinion if they play a position and they are the player in line, they play ala Brown on Pavlich.
I agree with Malthouse, the only time you find out if they are ready is by throwing them to the wolves and see how they go.

Possibly the injuries to Polak and Dunn might make another coach think differently. Oh, and Hasleby too.

 

[dockers_bengals]

No if the players not in showed better form.
I don't like the kids under 21yo playing because they are not physically ready but if they are showing better form then give them a go with a limit of games,for example tell them(players under 21) they have four weeks maximum if good enough then they are dropped back for a rest.

 

[Rob]

It is interesting to read and hear people saying how well our young kids are going.It is also intersting to read and hear people say that they will need to be rested.
Remembering we are a full seasson on,when every one was critical of CC not playing the kids,in hind sight was he right?
They were a year younger,their bodys still growing,still boys.

And importantly, not on our list. Palmer, Mayne and Hinkley were only drafted in October last year.

Who else is there? Ibbo (who has never shown much until last weekend), Foster, Brock, maybe Warnock? There is a pretty big black hole in our list where quality 20-22 year olds should be.
I reckon people were critical of CC for not drafting kids in the first place, let alone playing them.

 

[FootyEater]

No if the players not in showed better form.
I don't like the kids under 21yo playing because they are not physically ready but if they are showing better form then give them a go with a limit of games,for example tell them(players under 21) they have four weeks maximum if good enough then they are dropped back for a rest.

Tell that to Rhys Palmer, the best young player going around at the moment

 

[E Shed]

You can't generalise. What is true for one is not true for all.
Judd played 1 WAFL game before coming onto the senior list. Is anyone seriously going to suggest he needed a year in the WAFL? Palmer is the same, plug and play. Born to play footy.
Other players take longer whether because they aren't physically or mentally ready. Kepler may well become a useful player as he develops after looking all at sea when he was thrown in the deep end.
You can argue that it stunts some players to leave them in the 2's. They simply don't rise to the challenge till they get to the top level. Drum is a bit like this. Doesn't seem to dominate the WAFL but aways looks at home when he gets selected for the senior side.
It's called list management and player development. It's a skill.

 

[DockersMad]

Well Malthouse would disagree, he's of the opinion if they play a position and they are the player in line, they play ala Brown on Pavlich.
I agree with Malthouse, the only time you find out if they are ready is by throwing them to the wolves and see how they go.

Didn't Malthouse do this with David Wirrpanda as a seventeen (16?) year old at Worst Coast?

There's no arguing that he has been a quality player over the long term, but he could have been great, and played more games, had he not had so many injuries early in his career.

Was this because he was thrown to the wolves too early? or just indicative of the slime's approach to inury management, i.e. play 'em and grind 'em into the ground?

 

[Ripper]

Didn't Malthouse do this with David Wirrpanda as a seventeen (16?) year old at Worst Coast?

There's no arguing that he has been a quality player over the long term, but he could have been great, and played more games, had he not had so many injuries early in his career.

Was this because he was thrown to the wolves too early? or just indicative of the slime's approach to inury management, i.e. play 'em and grind 'em into the ground?

Yep , Hasn't helped Josh Fraser who seems to be broken down all the time as a relatively young man.

Still remember the game when Hase hurt his back in Rd 21 2000 when a mature player jumped on him while he was on the ground.

Geelong rested Selwood for a few games last season as well.

 

[dominguez]

Connolly was clearly right and I wish he didn't resign.

 

[ImperialPurple]

LOL dom.

 

[malpaso]

Connolly was clearly right and I wish he didn't resign.

ugghhhhh

 

[Nodgey]

Fact: Kepler Bradley is younger than Andrew Foster.

But back on topic, I reckon you play whoever is in form. Palmer and Mayne are talented, they earnt their spot, and did more than enough to keep it.

I reckon CC didn't played the young'uns because they simply weren't good enough (yet...) or because they were injury prone (Webster, Browne)

Geelong had the luxury of being able to afford to rest Selwood. Carlton could not afford to simply rest Marc Murphy, or Gibbs or Walker. It will interesting to see how Murphy goes when he's 27 or 28 - I hope he's ok, but sheesh he's copped a battering.

 

[theGav56]

Yep , Hasn't helped Josh Fraser who seems to be broken down all the time as a relatively young man.

Still remember the game when Hase hurt his back in Rd 21 2000 when a mature player jumped on him while he was on the ground.

Geelong rested Selwood for a few games last season as well.

And Pavlich's shoulder injury which happened when he was in the early stages of career could easily be a bigger impediment to his career.

 

[theGav56]

Connolly was clearly right and I wish he didn't resign.

I have always enjoyed your sincerity.