Was that the worst footy you have ever seen, or what ?

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It will take Ayres at least six weeks to admit his gameplan is rubbish.

Oh well.

At least we will get a new coach & a priority pick next year.
 

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Originally posted by ok.crows
It will take Ayres at least six weeks to admit his gameplan is rubbish.

Gary is slow with everything he does. Like he is with the interchanging of players. He is a pathetic stale piece of p*$$.

That game was horrible. I am not looking foward to next week. I'd rather watch a carlton/melbourne game *cough* :mad:
 

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I wouldnt lose faith just yet. Crows have started slowly in others years and ended up in the finals (and 2 premierships too in slow starts). However, mostly a full strength side and getting thumped isnt a good sign.

The worrying part if I was a Crow is basically what ok and Radar said. Ayres is bloody slow in making changes, noticing faults and admitting defeat and if the Crows struggle the next 2 weeks then it could be season over before Ayres does anything about it.

Still, You could win next week, and win well, and kick start the year a week late.
 

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Originally posted by Macca19
I wouldnt lose faith just yet. Crows have started slowly in others years and ended up in the finals (and 2 premierships too in slow starts). However, mostly a full strength side and getting thumped isnt a good sign.

The worrying part if I was a Crow is basically what ok and Radar said. Ayres is bloody slow in making changes, noticing faults and admitting defeat and if the Crows struggle the next 2 weeks then it could be season over before Ayres does anything about it.

Still, You could win next week, and win well, and kick start the year a week late.
I know we can do better but you have to admit that there is a HUGE amount of work to be done to get a win under our belt.

The only bit of good footy we played was in the 1st quarter. We mixed up long and direct style of play with short chipping one to perfection but for 3 quarters after that we got BELTED.

If we don't improve by 500% we will get beaten by Brisbane.

With the draw that we have in the first half of the season it is extremely important that we don't drop games that we are expected to win. Today we dropped a game that we should have won. Taking nothing away from the Roos because they were awsome.
 

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And I just got fox footy put on

I just had foxtel digital connected as you dont see to many crows games in the west, and then I had to sit through that crap.

I know we can be indirect at times but that was awfull.

There just seemed no commitment in the second half, very few runners, and no crumbers in the forward line.

Were to from here I am not sure
 

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Can any one answer me the following questions?

Who was standing Harvey?? I couldn't find anyone close enough to him to work that out.

Who was standing Simpson?? Same comment.

Who was standing Grant?? Same comment.

Did we play a loose man in defence with Scott Welsh?? Makepeace appeared to have no opponent in our forward line.

Burton had 7 disposals up to quarter time. Why take him off early in the 2nd quarter and bench him until the last quarter when our forward line was a shamble??

Why take Perrie off rather than move Carey to FF and Perrie to CHF??

Where does Macca disappear to in games?? Are there rabit burrows out there??

There's a million others, but that will do for starters.

P.S. If you read this Gary Ayres, please don't reply as I know you haven't got the answers. :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by macca23
1. Who was standing Harvey?? I couldn't find anyone close enough to him to work that out.

2. Who was standing Simpson?? Same comment.

3. Who was standing Grant?? Same comment.

4. Did we play a loose man in defence with Scott Welsh?? Makepeace appeared to have no opponent in our forward line.

5. Burton had 7 disposals up to quarter time. Why take him off early in the 2nd quarter and bench him until the last quarter when our forward line was a shamble??

6. Why take Perrie off rather than move Carey to FF and Perrie to CHF??

7. Where does Macca disappear to in games?? Are there rabit burrows out there??
1. Shirley

2. At the start it was Stenglein but after QTR time he was going head to head with Goodwin I think.

3. Buggered if I know :(

4. It would appear so. Why on earth aren't we playing him out of the goal square??????:confused:

5. Those 7 disposals were wasteful but more to the point why wasn't he played forward when we struggled to mark the ball or kick a goal.

6. I don't understand why we don't play Perrie at CHF and Carey at FF permanently. The more we talk about it the more it NOT going to happen.

7. Something is seriously wrong with his attitude. He was crying to play in the midfield. He got his chance and was bloody disappointing.:mad: We should have traded him while his price was still high. We are paying him far too much money for someone thats incinsistent and goes missing when needed.

I expect him to be even quieter next week against Brisbane because Hart ALWAYS gives McLeod a bath.
 
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Originally posted by macca23
Can any one answer me the following questions?

1. Who was standing Harvey?? I couldn't find anyone close enough to him to work that out.

2. Who was standing Simpson?? Same comment.

3. Who was standing Grant?? Same comment.

4. Did we play a loose man in defence with Scott Welsh?? Makepeace appeared to have no opponent in our forward line.

5. Burton had 7 disposals up to quarter time. Why take him off early in the 2nd quarter and bench him until the last quarter when our forward line was a shamble??

6. Why take Perrie off rather than move Carey to FF and Perrie to CHF??

7. Where does Macca disappear to in games?? Are there rabit burrows out there??

There's a million others, but that will do for starters.

P.S. If you read this Gary Ayres, please don't reply as I know you haven't got the answers. :rolleyes:
1. Shirley to begin with, then Reilly, then I have no idea.

2. Goodwin I think was his "opponent" for most of the game, but they played very wide of each other.

3. Stenglein for the 1st half or so, but no idea in the 2nd half. I think it is fair to say no one manning up on Grant in the 2nd half.

4. Think Welshy just got bored, so he went to where the ball was. Problem is when the ball went forward we were badly out-numbered.

5. We just didn't make the most of our wingmen / midfield rotations today, particularly given the warmer conditions. Need to get smarter!

6. Got me stuffed. Perrie was at least giving leads. Hentschel was the one who was struggling to get into the game & could have been put back on Brown or McKernan.

7. I'm very, very concerned about Macca's disappearing acts, as they are becoming way too frequent since he re-signed his contract.
 

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Originally posted by ok.crows
It will take Ayres at least six weeks to admit his gameplan is rubbish.

Oh well.

At least we will get a new coach & a priority pick next year.
I highly doubt that Gary told the boys to:

1 Not man up on your opponent

2 Kick straight to the opposition

3 Not lay tackles

4 Miss easy shots at goals

oooh and I am sure he didn't tell the umpires to NEVER PAY A FREE KICK to Wayne Carey. However the above happened. Perhaps if the players were more accountable and first to the ball - we could actually see there game plan.

k
xx
 

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Re: And I just got fox footy put on

Originally posted by dicko
I just had foxtel digital connected as you dont see to many crows games in the west, and then I had to sit through that crap.

I know we can be indirect at times but that was awfull.

There just seemed no commitment in the second half, very few runners, and no crumbers in the forward line.

Were to from here I am not sure
Dicko, I sympathise. Am also in the west and have been thinking of getting Foxtel on for some time. I think I'll wait a bit longer as the only reason to get it on is the footy.

Crows are here in a couple of weeks vs Freo. We were robbed here last year against them and knocked WCE off, but I'm not so confident now. Not just this performance, I saw the trial here and Adelaide were woeful against a team of kids. Freo have so much more talent coming through.

Some posters have said Shuey and Hudson are the answer. They must have played a lot better in the other trials as they didn't impress over here at all.

A week is a long time in footy. Let's hope next week we show something and this has been a wake up call. The trouble is I think waking up Ayresey is more like getting someone out of a coma.
 

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Re: Re: Was that the worst footy you have ever seen, or what ?

Originally posted by MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl
I highly doubt that Gary told the boys to:

1 Not man up on your opponent

2 Kick straight to the opposition

3 Not lay tackles

4 Miss easy shots at goals

oooh and I am sure he didn't tell the umpires to NEVER PAY A FREE KICK to Wayne Carey. However the above happened. Perhaps if the players were more accountable and first to the ball - we could actually see there game plan.

k
xx
the voice of reason. very well said.
 

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Re: Re: Was that the worst footy you have ever seen, or what ?

Originally posted by MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl
I highly doubt that Gary told the boys to:

1 Not man up on your opponent

2 Kick straight to the opposition

3 Not lay tackles

4 Miss easy shots at goals

oooh and I am sure he didn't tell the umpires to NEVER PAY A FREE KICK to Wayne Carey. However the above happened. Perhaps if the players were more accountable and first to the ball - we could actually see there game plan.

k
xx
You missed out:

5 Lack of desperation

6 Poor ball handling
 

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What is the point of blaming Gary Ayres for yesterday's debacle! It was the players that chose not to man up on their players. It was the players who chose to play worse in the last quarter despite a spray from Ayresy.

The only thing I would criticise Ayres for is for not dragging Carey in the 2nd quarter after giving away that 50 metre penalty. However it is not all his fault, but then some people are just too narrow-minded to understand.
 

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I don't understand why people are having a go at Carey for that Grant incident. The only reason 50m was given because Grant milked for as much as it was worth and the umpire got sucked in.

Did anyone think the wheels were starting to fall off and we were flat and we needed some sort of spark??????

Well Carey provided that because our intensity lifted for the next 5 minutes. What Carey did was what you expect leaders to do: give a bit of a spark to his side. It worked for 5 minutes but it fell away from there because others didn't have the desperation and desire to play for the jumper.
 

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Originally posted by brucetiki
What is the point of blaming Gary Ayres for yesterday's debacle! It was the players that chose not to man up on their players. It was the players who chose to play worse in the last quarter despite a spray from Ayresy.

The only thing I would criticise Ayres for is for not dragging Carey in the 2nd quarter after giving away that 50 metre penalty. However it is not all his fault, but then some people are just too narrow-minded to understand.
And then there are the other people who don't seem to have any awareness that there is more to a game of football than just the contributions or the lack of such from the players.

Resource management, i.e. team selection, team placement, player match-ups, player motivation, interchanges, positional moves etc etc is just as an important a factor as is player contribution and is the responsibility of the coaching staff.

Get the two right and you have a real chance of going somewhere. Without one or both, you go nowhere.

You obviously thought Ayres and crew had a good game, as you only had just the 1 criticism.

Hmmmmm.
 

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Originally posted by macca23
And then there are the other people who don't seem to have any awareness that there is more to a game of football than just the contributions or the lack of such from the players.

Resource management, i.e. team selection, team placement, player match-ups, player motivation, interchanges, positional moves etc etc is just as an important a factor as is player contribution and is the responsibility of the coaching staff.

Get the two right and you have a real chance of going somewhere. Without one or both, you go nowhere.

You obviously thought Ayres and crew had a good game, as you only had just the 1 criticism.

Hmmmmm.
Macca,

that hardly disproves Bruce's point. quite the opposite for mine.
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I don't understand why people are having a go at Carey for that Grant incident. The only reason 50m was given because Grant milked for as much as it was worth and the umpire got sucked in.

Did anyone think the wheels were starting to fall off and we were flat and we needed some sort of spark??????

Well Carey provided that because our intensity lifted for the next 5 minutes. What Carey did was what you expect leaders to do: give a bit of a spark to his side. It worked for 5 minutes but it fell away from there because others didn't have the desperation and desire to play for the jumper.
I saw the incident and thought it was a very soft 50m penalty. I had the impression Carey thought the guys intensity was falling away so he thought he would try and provide a spark, whenever the games got emotional last year Adelaide seemed to perform better.

Grant tried to milk for a 50m penalty and Carey dove after a slight push to try and milk a turnover, obviously the better actor won out on that duel. Umpire should have just let it go. If I was an umpire I would let a player get away with smacking someone who was diving for a free or 50m penalty.

But after that incident McLeod and Roo got more of the ball and you kicked the next two goals from memory and looked to get that spark. It just wasn't as long as I guess most of you would have liked.
 

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Originally posted by Tas
I saw the incident and thought it was a very soft 50m penalty. I had the impression Carey thought the guys intensity was falling away so he thought he would try and provide a spark, whenever the games got emotional last year Adelaide seemed to perform better.

Grant tried to milk for a 50m penalty and Carey dove after a slight push to try and milk a turnover, obviously the better actor won out on that duel. Umpire should have just let it go. If I was an umpire I would let a player get away with smacking someone who was diving for a free or 50m penalty.

But after that incident McLeod and Roo got more of the ball and you kicked the next two goals from memory and looked to get that spark. It just wasn't as long as I guess most of you would have liked.
Unfortunately, some people don't see it that way. Thats exactly how I saw it and thats really all there was to it. If we fall into the gutter against your mob ever again I expect Carey to do exactly the same thing to get a spark that the side need.

There is a psychological side to sport and Carey tried to get Roos focusing on something else rather than a game.
 
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Originally posted by brucetiki
What is the point of blaming Gary Ayres for yesterday's debacle! It was the players that chose not to man up on their players. It was the players who chose to play worse in the last quarter despite a spray from Ayresy.

The only thing I would criticise Ayres for is for not dragging Carey in the 2nd quarter after giving away that 50 metre penalty. However it is not all his fault, but then some people are just too narrow-minded to understand.
I agree totally. The main reason we lost the game was the players inept attitude on the ground, not our coaching staff off the ground.
 
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Originally posted by Tas
I saw the incident and thought it was a very soft 50m penalty. I had the impression Carey thought the guys intensity was falling away so he thought he would try and provide a spark, whenever the games got emotional last year Adelaide seemed to perform better.

Grant tried to milk for a 50m penalty and Carey dove after a slight push to try and milk a turnover, obviously the better actor won out on that duel. Umpire should have just let it go. If I was an umpire I would let a player get away with smacking someone who was diving for a free or 50m penalty.

But after that incident McLeod and Roo got more of the ball and you kicked the next two goals from memory and looked to get that spark. It just wasn't as long as I guess most of you would have liked.
I saw it the same way. Carey was concerned the game was slipping away, so was trying something different to change the momentum. I doubt he meant to go as far as giving away the 50m penalty, but at least it did have its desired affect - albeit way to briefly.

PS. To answer the topic, it is the worst footy I have seen by the Crows in a long time, given I was away for the Brisbane final 2 seasons back & refused to watch the tape of it.
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Unfortunately, some people don't see it that way. Thats exactly how I saw it and thats really all there was to it. If we fall into the gutter against your mob ever again I expect Carey to do exactly the same thing to get a spark that the side need.

There is a psychological side to sport and Carey tried to get Roos focusing on something else rather than a game.
I knew what he was up to the moment he wandered down from the forward line. I've seen him play for some time now and have seen him try the same things when he was our captain. I think he does it primarily to fire himself up but also to get his team mates worked up and to distract the players and get a reaction from the crowd.

He got a good jumper punch on King but that didn't do enough to get a big enough reaction out of him, probably would have if Archer was playing. I got the feeling he didn't want to push it any further, would have had to risk suspension to get a bigger reaction.

If he got the decision reversed it would of had a greater effect and some players minds would definitely have gone off the football.

Football is very much a psychological and emotional game, it is amazing how quickly you can turn around a game with an incident. It is amazing how quickly a player can be thrown off their game by someone who can manipulate their mental or emotional state.

Good on him for trying, when the wheels are falling off the wagon its better to do something than to just watch it go down hill. The only effect it had on me was a chuckle, then disappointment as the umpire decided to get suckered into it.
 

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Now after a few days of calming down after that attempt to play footy on Sunday, We over possessed the footy way too much what is with all the handballing there were a couple of times that we handballed it all the way up the corridor before someone missed thier target and the ball was turned over:mad: Still playing far to wide especially after the opposition kicks a point we go straight out wide, there were so many occassions where our players were playing three on one in marking contests we need to use the ground effectively, I tell you right here and now we continue to play footy like this we can hand in 2004 right here and now, that was absolute crap on Sunday and it wasnt just a few players it was the whole lot of them, maybe with the expection of Johncock who tried his guts out all day;) Im coming over for the game this w/e and we had better put a hell of a better show on or we are going to get absolutly smashed:mad: :(

Crows Get Your ****ing Act Together:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
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