Watts names St. Kilda

[Stiffy_18]

Watts has given us a definite rogering

You can say that again. The worst thing is he helped himself without asking which means he fits in well down at St. Kilda

 

[Stiffy_18]

HAHAH love the avatar.

I thought it was appropriate considering the circumstances

 

[GoSarge]

Yes pick 17 is bad. Numbers wise is around the mark but 2003 draft was considerably stronger than this year's draft. Pick 17 this year is equivelant of pick 25 in 2003. I am sorry but thats just not good enough. Either they come to the party or let the little prick go to Carlton where he is sure to enjoy a lot of success

Exactly. Pick 17 would ensure that we miss out on the top notch talent in a p|ss weak draft. We'd be back to square 1 where we'd have to develop the player physically and mentally AGAIN over the next 2 years. The AFL has to look at compensating clubs who lose players in the PSD for nix because of low life scum like Watts and Stevens.

 

[nicho_magic]

this thread is full of morons. thats all that needs to be said, and lets hope u get proved wrong in the trade period

 

[tinman]

Are we really that surprised by all this??????

This has been as obvious as the nose on the face. We either get what we want or let the little ******** end up at carlton.

Not surprised at all unfortunately.

Carey named the Crows, and we had to come up with the goods to satisfy the deal. I think unless they come up with what we want then fine, it was his choice to leave the club and it is his ultimatum to walk. Fine. Do it.

Stevens missed a premiership for the Power, let Fergus go the Blues and struggle for a few years in the football wilderness while we play finals.

Personally I think that is a better outcome than him going to a club which is already very competitive for less than he is worth. Look at it also from Fergus's perspective, if St Kilda don't come up with the deal to satisfy us he ends up at Carlton. We now know that is not his preference and it places pressure on the Saints to get the deal done.

We all look at this and think what a bad result for us if Fergus ends up at Carlton through the PSD, but look at the upsides.

And let's face it, if he doesn't want to play for us, we don't want him. Carlton is just the place I reckon.

I know this is a lose/lose/lose scenario - the only winner is Carlton as the Crows, Saints and Fergus all lose - but I reckon that is better than being screwed over.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Quell Surprise

ok, as has long been suspected ole' jimbo is telling him what to do. So can we put to rest this crap about how me managed him having anything to do with this.

Now where are we, in the absence of the board's great negotiator I might suggest we break this down at look at the leverage of both sides.
Ultimate goal:
Adelaide: plenty of goodies
Ferg: St Kilda Guernsey

Leverage:
Adelaide: you can go to Carlton
Watts: I am going to Carlton
Nb. if he really wanted to go to Carlton, I reckon he would have signed a big money inducement contract to walk away. I don't beleive him.

Trade value:
Adelaide: wants high draft pick and/or quality player
St Kilda: Pick 17 or whatever dreck lying around.
Sam Fisher: Meh. Double Meh.
Pick 17. a whole bag of Meh with their name on it.

The real bottom line:
Adelaide: can afford to let him go for nothing
St Kilda: Need a key forward with gehrig's future in doubt. tried for Whitnall last year with Pick 17. Given Jimbo's overriding concern for his son, coupled with the teams need for a KPP. I wonder how firm they are holding their cards. I'd be inclined to make a fair and clear demand upon them, and be the intiator. Rather than be threatened by the PSD, I'd offer it up first as part of our gambit. Does he really want to play for Carlton? Fine we'll do a deal with Carlton. and Break off talks with St Kilda. Their ultimate aim is to get him to St Kilda and why would we want to make them any stronger?
Let's see how much leverage they have if we take it off them.

The crux is this: I don't believe him and his dad. I reckon they are playing a game of chicken, and let's face it St Kilda's business acumen shouldn't frighten anyone.

 

[The_Bulldogs_Bite]

The guy by all reports is seemingly an incredible jerk. From an outsiders point of view, if you don't get what you're after, I hope Watts is sent to Carlton. I'd love the initial expression on his face.

Or a trade to West Coast or somewhere would also be nice. But he'd walk then, right?

Anyway, just as an outsider, I hope Watts is the one that gets screwed one way or another

 

[theorangeapple]

It simple, you guys just find the best deal you can, for the example it might be the demons. And say to Fergus "Its the demons or the blues, take or leave"

If he wants to spend his life at the bottom of the ladder at a dodgeball club then he can enter the draft and go to the blues. Or he can do the right thing and go to Melb.

I wouldnt even entertain the idea of St Kilda unless they are willing to match the best trade offer.

 

[just maybe]

I know this is a lose/lose/lose scenario - the only winner is Carlton as the Crows, Saints and Fergus all lose - but I reckon that is better than being screwed over.

Wrong. We look like absolute bloody idiots for getting nothing, exactly like Port did.

Port claimed they will now be shown 'respect' for losing Stevens for nothing. They didn't, and no one gives a crap, and everyone else just laughs at them for getting nothing.

There is NO win in pride here. I'd rather develop a good kid with pick 17 than get nothing, if that's what it comes to.

 

[Bockchoy67]

I think its pretty obvious that our team IS better off without Fergus. No matter how much talent he has, the nerve of this kid to screw us over like this shows that he wouldn't deserve a spot in our team.

Absolute prick, and lets just hope Fanta and the boys stand up for once and get the right compensation. I just feel sorry for the Club that will get him.

 

[tomatoes]

Where did he say this? Especially the St Kilda or walk part. Its no surprise St Kilda would be his preference as he went for them but has he said thats the only place he's willing to go? As for Carlton, surely there'll be someone better than him in the PSD.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Watts has said he either gets traded to St. Kilda or he walks. Why doesn't this announcement surprise me?

The best we will get our of St. Kilda is pick 17 and to be honest thats just not enough. Sam Fisher and pick 17 don't excite me either

There is nothing on their list that is gettable that excitese me. I would love one of their onballers or Kozi but there is as much chance of us getting it as there is of me kicking 100 goals for the Crows next year (Although I am available )

Why so glum - this is great news - the cards in our hand just started looking a whole lot better

Forget pick 17 - we will get a player and IMO now a pretty good deal if you are correct in his team preferance

 

[tinman]

The real bottom line:
Adelaide: can afford to let him go for nothing
St Kilda: Their ultimate aim is to get him to St Kilda and why would we want to make them any stronger?

Agreed. And if Fergus has made a public anouncement that his club of preference is St Kilda, I'd like to see the club counter with an announcement that they prefer not to send him to St Kilda. Frigging upstart.

St Kilda's methodology sounds a lot like the Collingwood/Stevens approach, and look where he ended up. I would be telling Watts to start packing his bags for Optus Oval.

Good riddance. This is a great example of how paying people plenty of money doesn't make them any more professional.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Why so glum - this is great news - the cards in our hand just started looking a whole lot better

Forget pick 17 - we will get a player and IMO now a pretty good deal if you are correct in his team preferance

Who would you want from St. Kilda??????

St. Kilda already made us an offer which we found insulting. Adelaide FC wants a top 6 pick.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yes daddy's boy is managed by Max Stevens.

Macca19, Sam Fisher will be 24 next year. Thats not young in football terms. Secondly being a reasonable CHF for Westies doesn't transplate to AFL. He just doesn't have the scope to play CHF at AFL level. He would be Scott Stevens like CHF at AFL level. Frankly, you don't win anything with that play in key attacking position.

Why do we need to settle for an average mid-age footballer and an average draft pick. I am sorry but we get off second best here. I rather he walks than get bent over at the draft table.

Look Sam Fisher is a good utility who St Kilda will be prepared tp off load.

But he is not the KPP we need to replace Watts.

Give me Xavier Clark - gee looked at the St Kilda list - not much frankly I would want that would be available.

Goddard is the only other possibility BUT Clarke gives us pace and IMO has been held back by St Kildas glut of good players - Speedy midfielder

 

[Stiffy_18]

Last time the player said its club X or bust, it didn't end up to well. Stevens ended up with Carlton and not Collingwood and Jade Rawlings ended up with Western Bulldogs instead of Kangaroos.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Look Sam Fisher is a good utility who St Kilda will be prepared tp off load.

But he is not the KPP we need to replace Watts.

Give me Xavier Clark - gee looked at the St Kilda list - not much frankly I would want that would be available.

Goddard is the only other possibility BUT Clarke gives us pace and IMO has been held back by St Kildas glut of good players - Speedy midfielder

My initial reaction was, I want Xavier Clarke but what are the chances of St. Kilda breaking up 2 brothers? I reckon slim.

Fisher is NOT someone we need. He isn't good enough for a key forward and he wouldn't break into our back 6.

SAY NO TO GODDARD!!!!!!

 

[Z_K]

Make St Kilda bleed for him.

If they fall short, send him to Carlton. And then watch him squirm through years of rubbish.

And laugh.

 

[maccas_no1]

That's the one reason I reckon this could work out well for us, Macca.

If it has been arranged by Jim, which seems pretty likely now, what are the chances of him being stubborn against Adelaide's demands and saying that Fergus can go elsewhere? Pretty low I would have thought.

Watt's old man has organised the reunion, now he's got to complete it. And he ain't going to do that unless he and the Saints satisfy our demands.

Please Kosi.

Dont want Kosi he spends half the season injuried

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Last time the player said its club X or bust, it didn't end up to well. Stevens ended up with Carlton and not Collingwood and Jade Rawlings ended up with Western Bulldogs instead of Kangaroos.

I was worried by the bottom 3 clubs who have priority picks - Iam not worried bya club that is behind us in the draft pecking order.

We will do as good a deal on this as we did with Thompson - I can gurantee the AFC is not happy with Fergus's move and will extract every pound of flesh.

And in a weak draft its not as if there will be a shortage of suitors - still like one of Carltons or Hawthorns picks - what about Geelongand Bulldogs who desperately need KPP

 

[WaynesWorld19]

My initial reaction was, I want Xavier Clarke but what are the chances of St. Kilda breaking up 2 brothers? I reckon slim.

Fisher is NOT someone we need. He isn't good enough for a key forward and he wouldn't break into our back 6.

SAY NO TO GODDARD!!!!!!

I'm with you

I have a hunch St Kilda may say that Clarke is replaceable - he's had a terrible run with injuries.

As for his brother we'll take them as a package - but seriously IMO not a deal breaker

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Make St Kilda bleed for him.

If they fall short, send him to Carlton. And then watch him squirm through years of rubbish.

And laugh.

That is a serious option V pick 17

 

[maccas_no1]

You know I have no love for the Crows, but this is an absolute ********ing ******** of a thing to do, and you have my heartfelt commisserations that you crossed paths with such a ******** of a human being.

It's happened twice now, Lawerence Angwin ring a bell

 

[Eggzoi]

Wrong. We look like absolute bloody idiots for getting nothing, exactly like Port did.

Port claimed they will now be shown 'respect' for losing Stevens for nothing. They didn't, and no one gives a crap, and everyone else just laughs at them for getting nothing.

There is NO win in pride here. I'd rather develop a good kid with pick 17 than get nothing, if that's what it comes to.

I disagree, letting Stevens walk is one of the very few things I respect Port for. I'd rather get nothing than pick 34.

 

[Z_K]

That is a serious option V pick 17

Damn straight it is.