Waxit - It's time for the WA succession movement again

[Scotland]

Resources boom: 'You don't need GST, you get mining royalties'.
Resources bust: 'You don't need GST, you shouldn't have blown all your mining royalties'.

Repeat.

 

[Power Raid]

I think their sustainable economies idea comes from "But we have more people tho"



Look, Football forum i wont be popular, I dont think the Stadium was the right deal. I think we should of let the Packers foot a lot more money into it.

Building Infastructure is fine, We got a few hospitals which was fine (sort of, We might get a financial windfall with suing John Holland over the water contamination) The Roe 8 Signing before the election was criminal.

4 Years ago a lot of people knew the Iron ore price would tank, The Government still Budgeted Iron Ore making between 100+ a tonne and the royalties made of it, Then when it tanked down to 90ish, they copped it, When whey only downgraded it to about 90 for the next year it tanked to 60, They are going to write off about 1.5 Billion off the value between 2017-2020 next Budget.

Not great times, Now yes/no We deserve more GST, def should be a floor, because the difference now between 34c and 38c is a blow, a floor of 50c would be great.

However the Fed's wont risk losing 3-4 seats in W.A. then the 10+ it will lose in Queensland, Victoria,NSW cutting the GST.

Roe8 signing before the election?

Rather we should sue this current government for Roe 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 35 years of planning.

 

[Power Raid]

Out of interest, should the restaurant owners in Subi contributed to the stadium when Subi was redeveloped?

 

[Gough]

Financially independent within the Commonwealth is hardly seccession though is it? This looks a lot like a kiddo threatening to leave home if he doesn't get more pocket money, I'd be willling to wager the threat is about as empty as well.

 

[HairyO]

That astounds me. How could qld achieve that?

Not only did coal go sky high in price and volume but the royalties are probably double that of What is normal.

A remarkable achievement!

In NSW the property boom brought in billions more than expected yet every year Labor had us further in debt.

The challenge is finding a govt capable of running a surplus.

 

[Lebbo73]

In NSW the property boom brought in billions more than expected yet every year Labor had us further in debt.

The challenge is finding a govt capable of running a surplus.

Just a balanced budget would be an achievement in itself!

 

[HairyO]

Just a balanced budget would be an achievement in itself!

Im even okay with small deficits each year as long as the Govt has something to show for it.

We had billions in extra revenues which somehow all got spent but had nothing to show for it.

 

[smokingjacket]

Financially independent within the Commonwealth is hardly seccession though is it? This looks a lot like a kiddo threatening to leave home if he doesn't get more pocket money, I'd be willling to wager the threat is about as empty as well.

WA gets outvoted on just about any issue in Federal Parliament or COAG. Paying in to Federation evens the ledger a bit. Besides, most people on here are fine with the EU and it would remain more integrated than that. Given the different development goals of the West and East that aren't being addressed at the moment, giving WA more autonomy to develop the North and Great Southern could overall increase the prosperity of all Australians. At the moment there's limited Federal resources for development directed to the West.

Obviously there's some pretty serious issues with leaving a tax union but most of the commentary within WA and outside has been hysterical and/or dishonest. At first they'll acknowledge that the proposal isn't to leave the Australian Commonwealth altogether and next minute that it could never work because it would cost too much money to set up a separate currency when that isn't on the table. Another great one is, WA couldn't secede because it couldn't afford a multi-class naval force to protect itself. Apart from the fact that a financial autonomy model would share defence costs, the idea that states can only defend themselves with boondoggle naval power is ridiculous.

There needs to be some real thought in to balancing Federation or this issue will keep resurfacing and opportunities to make Australia stronger will be lost.

 

[Power Raid]

In NSW the property boom brought in billions more than expected yet every year Labor had us further in debt.

The challenge is finding a govt capable of running a surplus.

I don't think it's possible under modern democracy and our now now society.

Thank F I'm established as the young and generations ahead will pay a huge price for this reckless management.

Banana Republic anyone?

 

[Power Raid]

In NSW the property boom brought in billions more than expected yet every year Labor had us further in debt.

The challenge is finding a govt capable of running a surplus.

I don't think it's possible under modern democracy and our now now society.

Thank F I'm established as the young and generations ahead will pay a huge price for this reckless management.

Banana Republic anyone?

 

[Pessimistic]

The property boom proceeds are being used to catch up on the infrastructure deficit which is a problem at current population growth

The liberals answer seems to be to move govt jobs into dying mining towns which is futile and makes them less efficient

Private enterprise would never do that

 

[King Brown]

Another great one is, WA couldn't secede because it couldn't afford a multi-class naval force to protect itself. Apart from the fact that a financial autonomy model would share defence costs, the idea that states can only defend themselves with boondoggle naval power is ridiculous.

Which has roots in one of the original driving forces for Federation - fear of the Yellow Peril.

The need for Federation on this continent is implicitly xenophobic.

 

[smokingjacket]

Which has roots in one of the original driving forces for Federation - fear of the Yellow Peril.

The need for Federation on this continent is implicitly xenophobic.

Yeah you're right. That, trade, and the creation of an Australian navy to protect from "German interests in the Pacific."

Realistically, in any modern ground invasion of Australia, the ADF is still going to concentrate its forces on the Eastern seaboard just as it always has planned to. WA could arguably do a better job of defending its interests on its own than within Federation which is always going to focus on the high population centres. But the high population areas of Sydney and Melbourne are self perpetuating, directing immigration and resources towards themselves to boost their own construction economies.

 

[Pessimistic]

Which has roots in one of the original driving forces for Federation - fear of the Yellow Peril.

The need for Federation on this continent is implicitly xenophobic.

Amirite saying ladies weren't included in the federation vote?

 

[FredLeDeux]

Amirite saying ladies weren't included in the federation vote?

SA and WA women were entitled to vote, but not those in other states.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

WA gets outvoted on just about any issue in Federal Parliament or COAG. Paying in to Federation evens the ledger a bit. Besides, most people on here are fine with the EU and it would remain more integrated than that. Given the different development goals of the West and East that aren't being addressed at the moment, giving WA more autonomy to develop the North and Great Southern could overall increase the prosperity of all Australians. At the moment there's limited Federal resources for development directed to the West.

Obviously there's some pretty serious issues with leaving a tax union but most of the commentary within WA and outside has been hysterical and/or dishonest. At first they'll acknowledge that the proposal isn't to leave the Australian Commonwealth altogether and next minute that it could never work because it would cost too much money to set up a separate currency when that isn't on the table. Another great one is, WA couldn't secede because it couldn't afford a multi-class naval force to protect itself. Apart from the fact that a financial autonomy model would share defence costs, the idea that states can only defend themselves with boondoggle naval power is ridiculous.

There needs to be some real thought in to balancing Federation or this issue will keep resurfacing and opportunities to make Australia stronger will be lost.

Having your cake and eating it too isn't an option. The Brexiteers have all discovered that.

 

[smokingjacket]

Having your cake and eating it too isn't an option. The Brexiteers have all discovered that.

It's not comparable in that way to Brexit. In this scenario WA would remain entirely within "the EU" or the Commonwealth of Australia in this case.

 

[Fire]

The need for Federation on this continent is implicitly xenophobic.

Poe's law in action.

 

[Fire]

It's not comparable in that way to Brexit. In this scenario WA would remain entirely within "the EU" or the Commonwealth of Australia in this case.

What benefit does the rest of Australia get from that arrangement?

 

[King Brown]

Poe's law in action.

Not at all. The fear of Chinese immigration was a significant factor for Federation. It's why we have the race powers in our constitution, it's why one of the first articles of legislation was the White Australia Policy.

Making sure every state was part of the Federation was essential to ensuring that the Chinaman couldn't settle on this continent. If one state went it alone, then the Chinese could legally immigrate to say, Queensland, and be at the borders of the other states.

 

[Fire]

Not at all. The fear of Chinese immigration was a significant factor for Federation. It's why we have the race powers in our constitution, it's why one of the first articles of legislation was the White Australia Policy.

Making sure every state was part of the Federation was essential to ensuring that the Chinaman couldn't settle on this continent. If one state went it alone, then the Chinese could legally immigrate to say, Queensland, and be at the borders of the other states.

So would you be willing to ammend your statement to:

The need for Federation on this continent was implicitly xenophobic.

?

That is at least a starting point which someone could argue.

 

[King Brown]

So would you be willing to ammend your statement to:

The need for Federation on this continent was implicitly xenophobic.

?

That is at least a starting point which someone could argue.

Many of the arguments against WA leaving are made from the point of view of xenophobia. WA leaving would leave them open from foreign aggression, it would be done in the interests of foreign mining companies, it would allow the WA mining barons to employ foreign labour well below award.

 

[smokingjacket]

What benefit does the rest of Australia get from that arrangement?

An end to the whingeing?

Really the benefit comes from increased medium to long term economic growth from giving WA extra autonomy to develop underutilised regions of WA. The Kimberley and Great Southern are most pressing. Would require cooperation on immigration still with the Federal Government but it serves no ones purpose having these two regions as empty, raw material export facility facilities with zero value add. Even taking into account considerable start up infrastructure costs, the nation would gain considerably more by directing resources to opening up new zones of development than it would by directing more people to Sydney and Melbourne to boost apartment sales.

 

[Benny78]

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...t/news-story/12a9cc8e1f7368307da467ca0db945a6

How good is that!

Anything that reverses the post 1918-esque split class agenda over the last 4 years is a big step forward. Just need to offset all recent tax cuts/concessions and education/medical/energy increases over the last 4 years with 66% or 90% tax rate for wages over 180k.

Or government seizure of all private assets for public control and revenue. Anything that reverses the non Putin-esque economic policies of the last 116 years is also a big step forward.

Could you imagine if we were Russia? Imagine us as a nation receiving the total revenue pool of Hancock, Packer, Wesfarmers, Origin, Bluescope etc. Not giving their rightful* owners a dime or a single share. We'd be like richer than America in a year. Let's do it guys.

 

[smokingjacket]

Gold royalty is way overdue. Looks like a good budget under the circumstances.