Wayne Campbell (again)

[itsintheblood]

Originally posted by Coach Required
IITB,

I would just like to clear things up

1. I think campbell is past it and time to go and is now a hack
2. I was also dirty that campbell threatened to walk out
3. ditto with knights being shafted


but all those points dont change the fact that campbell was once a very good onballer for the RFC and his output on the field has been greater than what Richo has produced for us in his time at tigerland.

Fair call.

 

[itsintheblood]

Originally posted by JohnF
LOl, well it looks like I'm going to argue after all....

Why does everyone think Knights was such a tremendous captain? How many finals did Knighter take us to as captain?

At least we have played finals under Campbell.

John, you are very naive or just plain dumb. You obviously weren't born in 1995 were you???

The question you should ask is who has peformed better in the very few finals we have made with both as captain?

Shall we discuss the 95 semi?

 

[1980]

Originally posted by JohnF
LOl, well it looks like I'm going to argue after all....

Why does everyone think Knights was such a tremendous captain? How many finals did Knighter take us to as captain?

At least we have played finals under Campbell.

Did you see what Knights did against the bummers in the semi-final in 1995? Have you ever seen Campbell do that (ie lift the team through an inspirational individual goal(s) in a game we were all but out of?

Knights efforts in the 2nd half of that game are worth all of Campbell's B&Fs put together in my book!!!

 

[1980]

Originally posted by itsintheblood
John, you are very naive or just plain dumb. You obviously weren't born in 1995 were you???

The question you should ask is who has peformed better in the very few finals we have made with both as captain?

Shall we discuss the 95 semi?

You just beat me to posting this about the 1995 semi (i need to take speed typing courses).

But dont agree about JohnF being dumb. He knows his footy inside out, he just gets a bit defensive about Campbell's record is all.

 

[itsintheblood]

Originally posted by 1980
You just beat me to posting this about the 1995 semi (i need to take speed typing courses).

But dont agree about JohnF being dumb. He knows his footy inside out, he just gets a bit defensive about Campbell's record is all.

If he knew his footy inside out the 95 semi would be sticking to his brain lilke a tub of liquid nails.

He obviously doesnt. He's entitled to his views on campbell just like i am.

 

[JohnF]

I'm glad this has been brought up.

Yes I saw it, and have seen it, many many times, it was a great performance by Knighter, without a doubt his signature game. BUT, my fellow Tiges, that has been the most mythologised game in the last couple of decades and it has been blown totally out of proportion!

If you are basing Knights' reputation off of one game, then that's a bit out of kilter isn't it? Who was the player who got us to the finals in 1995 might I ask, and in the opinion of the pundits was the brownlow medal favourite?

Or, if you want to talk finals, why not look to the 2001 finals series? Who was best on ground in our win against Carlton? CAMBO! You just tend to overlook that game becuase you are sour that he tried to leave the club and was given the captaincy after the greatest percieved usurpation of the thrown since Claudius overtook Hamlet!

 

[JohnF]

Originally posted by 1980
Did you see what Knights did against the bummers in the semi-final in 1995? Have you ever seen Campbell do that (ie lift the team through an inspirational individual goal(s) in a game we were all but out of?

Knights efforts in the 2nd half of that game are worth all of Campbell's B&Fs put together in my book!!!

Campbell has on many occasions lifted the team through inspirational efforts when we looked gone.

Just to take two examples of 2002, when he was already over the hill, remember him getting 4 goals against westcoast, many threaded from the boundary line? Also got 36 touches that day.

And just a few rounds earlier against Melbourne, Campbell kicked a goal and did a great interception to hand a goal to Brad Ottens in the last quarter. He also got 17 touches in the last quarter of the game to secure our victory.

If he was a more likeable character I'm sure he would have gained a great reputation of these feats, but we tend to be deceived and see only what we want to see, and nothing he has done has been good enough for us...

 

[1980]

Originally posted by JohnF
I'm glad this has been brought up.

Yes I saw it, and have seen it, many many times, it was a great performance by Knighter, without a doubt his signature game. BUT, my fellow Tiges, that has been the most mythologised game in the last couple of decades and it has been blown totally out of proportion!

If you are basing Knights' reputation off of one game, then that's a bit out of kilter isn't it? Who was the player who got us to the finals in 1995 might I ask, and in the opinion of the pundits was the brownlow medal favourite?

Or, if you want to talk finals, why not look to the 2001 finals series? Who was best on ground in our win against Carlton? CAMBO! You just tend to overlook that game becuase you are sour that he tried to leave the club and was given the captaincy after the greatest percieved usurpation of the thrown since Claudius overtook Hamlet!

LOL@JohnF holding up 2001 final against Carlton as the benchmark for Richmond finals performances

Best on Ground for win against Carlton was Steven Sziller. And that just about sums up the quality of that game. Worst final I've ever seen a Richmond team play in.

Knights won us the semi along with Scotty Turner in 1995. Campbell wasnt even in our top 10 players that day

 

[JohnF]

Sziller? he was good but not best on ground.... I agree it was a scraggy final. I also agree Campbell was a dud that day agaisnt the bummers.

But by your logic, are the best players at Richmond over the last decade and a half 1. Matthew Knights, 2. Scotty Turner and 3. Steven Sziller just because they played a good final game?

Obviously not! Which jsut goes to show that you can't put too much store in just one or two games when judging a players career. When players careers are looked at wholistically, then you get an idea of who was the best. And Best and fairests are a great gauge for that, that's why I think they are important, more important than spectacular feats in a game or two.

There is a hierarchy of importance in the games played though. i totally agree with that, and it does show favourably upon Knights that he excelled in our biggest day in the last 15 years.

Pretty sad that we came out and got thumped the next week though... For as great as the win against the Bummers was, lets not forget that when treating it as such an important day...

 

[1980]

Originally posted by JohnF
Campbell has on many occasions lifted the team through inspirational efforts when we looked gone.

Just to take two examples of 2002, when he was already over the hill, remember him getting 4 goals against westcoast, many threaded from the boundary line? Also got 36 touches that day.

And just a few rounds earlier against Melbourne, Campbell kicked a goal and did a great interception to hand a goal to Brad Ottens in the last quarter. He also got 17 touches in the last quarter of the game to secure our victory.

If he was a more likeable character I'm sure he would have gained a great reputation of these feats, but we tend to be deceived and see only what we want to see, and nothing he has done has been good enough for us...

He always cops flack because not enough of his kicks are effective kicks. Anyone can kick a footy 10 metres in front of him and turn it over. Daffy got a lot of kicks too when they moved him into the midfield. Are you going to pull out stats defending him also?

 

[1980]

Originally posted by JohnF
Sziller? he was good but not best on ground.... I agree it was a scraggy final. I also agree Campbell was a dud that day agaisnt the bummers.

But by your logic, are the best players at Richmond over the last decade and a half 1. Matthew Knights, 2. Scotty Turner and 3. Steven Sziller just because they played a good final game?

Obviously not! Which jsut goes to show that you can't put too much store in just one or two games when judging a players career. When players careers are looked at wholistically, then you get an idea of who was the best. And Best and fairests are a great gauge for that, that's why I think they are important, more important than spectacular feats in a game or two.

I'm not arguing about which players are the best over the decade. Just that Knighter's contribution in one final is better than anything Campbell has done in one game. Just dont know how you can compare beating Melbourne or Weagles to beating ESSENDON IN A FINAL!!!

By my book, if Campbell left the club 5 years ago, we'd be able to replace him. If Richo left the club 5 years ago, we'd have a lot of trouble replacing him.

Dont care about the B&Fs, which are usually more a political process than an accurate measure of who's done well that year.

But I do get a kick out of your rush to defend Campbell everytime someone slags him off on this board.

to be conitnued....

 

[JohnF]

Originally posted by 1980
He always cops flack because not enough of his kicks are effective kicks. Anyone can kick a footy 10 metres in front of him and turn it over. Daffy got a lot of kicks too when they moved him into the midfield. Are you going to pull out stats defending him also?

Daffy was the clanger king. I don't have a lot of time for him. He had a couple of good seasons though, where despite turning the ball over he did plenty of good things, and he must be given credit for those years.

About Campbell's effectiveness, he has less clangers than a lot of the other so called star on ballers in the league. The accuracy of his kicks are good, but if I was to criticise him i would say he often does chip kicks which although are 'effective', are not really effective as they allow the opposition's defence time to man up before they can be exploited with a fast break.

 

[JohnF]

Originally posted by 1980
I'm not arguing about which players are the best over the decade. Just that Knighter's contribution in one final is better than anything Campbell has done in one game. Just dont know how you can compare beating Melbourne or Weagles to beating ESSENDON IN A FINAL!!!

By my book, if Campbell left the club 5 years ago, we'd be able to replace him. If Richo left the club 5 years ago, we'd have a lot of trouble replacing him.

Dont care about the B&Fs, which are usually more a political process than an accurate measure of who's done well that year.

But I do get a kick out of your rush to defend Campbell everytime someone slags him off on this board.

to be conitnued....

Yeah Knighter's day in the sun was better than any day Campbell has had. A lot of individuals have had better one off's than him. But the key to why he was good was his consistency, and no one has been as consistent as he has for as long as he has.

If Campbell left 5 years ago we could have replaced him. If Richo left we could also replace him as well. Whenever he doesn't play we seem to fare better than when he does. We haven't had any out and out champions for ages, and that's been one of the problems with us.

lmfaoooooo@me carrying on like Cambo's girlfriend. **** him, I've had enough of defending him, bag away folks!

 

[Coach Required]

Originally posted by JohnF

Which just goes to show that you can't put too much store in just one or two games when judging a players career.

why not JohnF?

Richmond supporters have been doing it for the past 20 years!

LOL

 

[JohnF]

lfmao, yeah we have, which is tragi-comic.

But I suppose the Tiger faithful pay their hard earned to see the spectacular feats of guys like richo (even if they only come once in a while), not the consistently good games of cambo. Hence we take to any player than has a great day and treat him like a god.

LMFAOOOOOOOO@calls on PRE for Bowden to be captain.

That's life....

 

[Coach Required]

bowden to be captain? LOL


now thats funny!

 

[1980GFVideo]

I'll admit that Campbell is not the dream captain but that is more a reflection of our list.

I hate it when someone who gets a so called cult following like Plapp, Brett Evans or even Rodan for some time gets elevated above him in popularity.

Our lack of good captaincy material shouldnt downgrade the fact that he has been one of our best.

He was entitled to take it when offered it. In a good team he would be a good senior player but in our side his promotion means he is compared to someone like Voss which becomes embarrassing.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

on the issue of which player out of cambo/knights finals performed better.knighters game against the bummers was one of the best individual efforts seen in the afl the fact of the matter is both cambo and knights and the rest of the so called senior group in that era went missing in 95% in any big match.

on the sole subject of cambo.the very reason,s he wanted to leave is well documented and understandable and in the end it made our club become aware that money had to be spent to get this club back up and running.
i use to be one of those who didnt like cambo before this incident.but credit where credit is due he did knuckle down and actually perform better both on and off the field.
he is no voss ar as the captaincy goes but neitherwas knights for that matter.
age and injuries has caught up with cambo and he should seriously think about his future at the end of the year.

cheers!

 

[Wally Matera]

Originally posted by Darth_Tiger
for what it is worth i think matthew knights is our best player of the last decade,

Not worth a pinch of shyte! The most over-rated player of the past 10 years. Richmond's equivalent of Michael Long.

Everyone of you ********s that continue to drool over Matty Knight's 95 semi are f'ing delusional. Grow up morons, that was 10 seasons ago.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by Wally Matera
Grow up morons

take one,s own advice is in order me thinks!

cheers!

 

[tigerman]

This might jolt everyone's memory

Semi Final , M.C.G. , 17-Sep-1995
Richmond - Match Stats
Player Kicks Marks H.Balls Disp Goals Pts H.O. Tack Reb Ins50 Clear Clng FrF FrA
5 Jamie Tape 16 7 4 20 0 0 0 4
41 Scott Turner 12 3 2 14 2 1 0 0
35 Chris Bond 12 7 3 15 0 0 0 3
3 Duncan Kellaway 9 5 3 12 0 0 0 4
32 David Bourke 4 3 0 4 0 1 0 1
7 Ashley Prescott 6 3 2 8 0 0 0 0
22 Nathan Bower 13 5 5 18 0 0 0 2
33 Matthew Knights 11 1 6 17 3 1 0 2
9 Wayne Campbell 13 4 4 17 0 0 1 0
10 Nick Daffy 19 3 2 21 2 2 0 2
25 Brendon Gale 4 1 0 4 0 0 2 1
27 Stuart Maxfield 7 2 0 7 0 0 0 3
17 Paul Broderick 6 2 12 18 0 0 1 1
31 John Howat 7 4 2 9 0 0 0 0
6 Chris Naish 15 9 3 18 2 3 0 2
14 Greg Dear 9 3 3 12 0 0 10 2
11 Michael Gale 4 1 1 5 0 1 0 0
4 Matthew Rogers 15 8 8 23 2 2 0 3
36 Stuart Wigney 2 1 0 2 0 0 1 0
28 Mark Merenda 6 1 0 6 0 0 0 1
15 Justin Charles 7 3 2 9 1 1 1 1
Rushed 2
197 76 62 259 12 14 16 32