Wayne Carey

[marvin]

At the time of the Carey trade, I didn't think it was the right move. Nevertheless, I didn't think it was as bad as hindsight makes it appear, but I still don't think it was such a disaster. (Personally, I think #10 for Bode was worse).

Two points -

1) As DaveW said earlier, we were all looking for a better 2004 after an understandably rusty 2003. That looks unlikely now.

2) Something a lot of non-Crows supporters don't seem to have got their heads around is that Carey was not recruited to be "the man". "The man" in Adelaide's forward line finished 2nd and 3rd in the B&F in 2001 and 2002, was twice Adelaide's best team man (1999 / 2002). His name is Mark Stevens. A forward line structured around a fit Stevens and another tall and a semi-fit Carey is potent [exhibit A - Round 1 2003]. Unfortunately, Stevens has basically been unfit since Carey arrived, and neither Carey in his present state or Perrie are capable of being the number one forward today.

IF Stevens had stayed fit, the decision to recruit Carey would have looked a lot more reasonable, even with hindsight.

 

[hotpie]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Chris, I have no problems with you starting this thread or your thoughtful post to kick things off. I just get a little grumpy when it degenerated into an opportunity for other posters rarely seen on this board to take some cheap shots by stating the bloody obvious (which we have discussed to death).

Getting you guys to admit the bloody obvious has taken a bloody long time. Surely the odd post saying "we told you so" can't hurt?
If so you are more precious than I thought.

(BTW don't play Watts until he is good and ready. Maybe not this year at all)

 

[PAfolwr]

I fail to see how what Asgardian or Porthos have said could be deemed as trolling.

wrt to Carey, most on here think he could be useful at FF, but it is also not a good idea to play him at CHF. As Kane said, it has been discussed at infinitum on here.

wrt the Carey trade, a few points should be considered.
Adelaide did not choose Carey, but Carey chose Adelaide.
A number of clubs were willing to recruit him, and they were all willing to pay what was then market value for him.
He chose to come to Adelaide and explained why at the time.

Adelaide traded pick 4 for Carey, not pick 2. It turned out to be pick 2, but was 4 at the time.
Wells was always going to go top 2. So "trading Carey for Wells" is not quite right.

 

[_espoir]

Originally posted by PAfolwr
I fail to see how what Asgardian or Porthos have said could be deemed as trolling.

i thought they were just discussing a player from another team...?! whether the crows havent won a game YET... or not... Chris starts off saying it isnt a sledge...

 

[lozstar]

Originally posted by Asgardian
To Noddy, Lozstar & anyone else of the same opinion ----

I apologise

How dare I create a thread for discussion purposes on a Footy Discussion web site, man, I must have rocks in my head.

I know I should have created this thread prior to Carey playing any games as a Crow, in January 2003, I should have known exactly what was gonna happen, and do this thread back then.

I'm sorry Kane, for cluttering up your Crow board with a discussion piece from a Port person

nice sarcasm there.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Asgardian
To Noddy, Lozstar & anyone else of the same opinion ----

I apologise

How dare I create a thread for discussion purposes on a Footy Discussion web site, man, I must have rocks in my head.

I know I should have created this thread prior to Carey playing any games as a Crow, in January 2003, I should have known exactly what was gonna happen, and do this thread back then.

I'm sorry Kane, for cluttering up your Crow board with a discussion piece from a Port person

Personally, I have no problem with the thread and I said that I agree with you on what you have posted. However, I have a problem with the likes of hotpie and arseh*le w@nker who only come here to troll. For as long as I have been around thse boards those 2 along with a few others have contributed nothing but trolling to this board. I more than welcome a good discussion but I hate snipers and trolls.

The likes of yourself, PAfowlr, Macca19 and on some occasions Porthos have come on and raised some very good points which I have enjoyed discussing. Keep up the good work

 

[_espoir]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18

The likes of yourself, PAfowlr, Macca19 and on some occasions Porthos have come on and raised some very good points which I have enjoyed discussing. Keep up the good work

unlike me ...i just come to cause trouble *one foot in one foot out*

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by _espoir
unlike me ...i just come to cause trouble *one foot in one foot out*

You said it

 

[PAfolwr]

Originally posted by _espoir
unlike me ...i just come to cause trouble *one foot in one foot out*

Shhh. You are on here "undercover" to do some recruiting.

 

[_espoir]

Originally posted by PAfolwr
Shhh. You are on here "undercover" to do some recruiting.

copy that!

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by hotpie
Getting you guys to admit the bloody obvious has taken a bloody long time. Surely the odd post saying "we told you so" can't hurt?
If so you are more precious than I thought.

Bollocks.
Collingwood was trying to recruit him as hard as anyone, what is this "we told you so, rubbish"?

No one knew how it would pan out, no one. It was a gamble on perhaps the greatest player of the modern era.

If something turns out wrong in the end, but seemed right at the time, you have to go for it when it seems right. what's the alternative? slowly choking on what might have been?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
Bollocks.
Collingwood was trying to recruit him as hard as anyone, what is this "we told you so, rubbish"?

No one knew how it would pan out, no one. It was a gamble on perhaps the greatest player of the modern era.

If something turns out wrong in the end, but seemed right at the time, you have to go for it when it seems right. what's the alternative? slowly choking on what might have been?

Wouldn't worry too much about hotpie's bating. At least AFC made an attempt to fix their main problem - a key forward, when recruiting Carey. Meanwhile the Pies still haven't addressed they lack a decent ruckman, as they weren't willing to give up anything for the likes of Everitt, Allan, etc. Doing nothing is not usually the best solution when you have a problem!

 

[Crow-mosone]

Kane,

very true. I get real p****d when people claim to know things after the event.

I imagine a collingwood supporter running through the office on tuesday, announcing how he knew last saturday's lotto numbers and everyone else was too dumb for not having picked same - though he didn't of course, he couldn't find any change.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Wouldn't worry too much about hotpie's bating. At least AFC made an attempt to fix their main problem - a key forward, when recruiting Carey. Meanwhile the Pies still haven't addressed they lack a decent ruckman, as they weren't willing to give up anything for the likes of Everitt, Allan, etc. Doing nothing is not usually the best solution when you have a problem!

Very harsh Kane. They did have a crack at getting a ruckman. I am pretty sure they traded pick 7 for Steven McKee a few years back

 

[Damp Squarie]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I
There is no point giving youngsters a go if they are not ready. It does them more harm than good in the long run.

Theres nothing like the present Stiffy.
There would be a spot to replace a couple at the moment.
Smart and Carey - Out

New Blood - In

 

[Asgardian]

Did anyone/everyone read Rucci's Carey article in todays (Thursday) Advertiser?

Am I being paranoid, or did it sound a whole lot like my original post in this thread, just a lot more fleshed out?

If so, then come on Rucci, give us some credit

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Asgardian
Did anyone/everyone read Rucci's Carey article in todays (Thursday) Advertiser?

Am I being paranoid, or did it sound a whole lot like my original post in this thread, just a lot more fleshed out?

If so, then come on Rucci, give us some credit

Rest assured that Rucci does read Bigfooty. You'd be surprised how many of the scribes actually do.

Yes, he probably did use your post as the basis of his article. I've also been saying in recent times that Carey was meant to be the icing on the cake not the whole thing, and I saw that got a guernsey in the article as well.

By the way, I didn't take your post as a sledge, as I think it's factually correct - regrettably!!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Asgardian
Did anyone/everyone read Rucci's Carey article in todays (Thursday) Advertiser?

Am I being paranoid, or did it sound a whole lot like my original post in this thread, just a lot more fleshed out?

If so, then come on Rucci, give us some credit

Don't worry mate. Rucci is renovned for pinching ideas from BigFooty for his articles.

I am 100% certain that he reads BigFooty so up your Rucci!!!!!!

 

[Alex99]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Don't worry mate. Rucci is renovned for pinching ideas from BigFooty for his articles.

I am 100% certain that he reads BigFooty so up your Rucci!!!!!!

But he would have the Port Power page set to his Favorites wouldnt he......He loves them guys.....

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Don't worry mate. Rucci is renovned for pinching ideas from BigFooty for his articles.

I am 100% certain that he reads BigFooty so up your Rucci!!!!!!

No doubt about it. Rucci has pinched many ideas from Big Footy (usually his better ideas!) so take it as compliment.