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Not sure if I've been watching the same Shaun Burgoyne as other posters
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Clarko loves chucking Shaunie into a centre bounce when he needs to win a centre break.
Sadly a great example is that Prelim.
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The most contested possessions Burgoyne has had in a game is 19 and this year he was just under 50% for contested possessions.Yep so Mitchell or Lewis can give it the quick dish out, but when you got two absolute hard nuts like Mitchell and lewis in the middle why wouldnt you give them the release valve in Burgoyne or at best they will make room for him
The most contested possessions Burgoyne has had in a game is 19 and this year he was just under 50% for contested possessions.
So he is required to win his own ball thenNot surprisssed not too many teams wouldnt tell their playesr not to give him too much space, he is one of the best players in the league
So he is required to win his own ball then
It's confidence as much as anything with him I think. Once he starts to feel like he truly belongs on the AFL field, he'll start to really use his weapons to hurt the opposition.I love this post
There are some footy fundamentals that are required no matter what role you play in the side and Milera at the moment is trying to play bruise free footy which puts the onus on his team mates to do his share of the heavy lifting
The other thing with Junior is he does have some weapons but he doesn't use his pace or skills to hurt the opposition
Not really offering much defensively or offensively ATM, hopefully this changes in season 2018
FFS once again ......you're defining a 19yo's career with 12 or so games of AFL ......get real !!
ALL PLAYERS HAVE A DEVELOPMENT CURVE .......you may have heard of that term ? ......last i heard most 18 year olds entering the AFL system are not the finished product ....although i could be wrong
Just think back to the dialogue on Walker, Lynch, Dangerfield in their 2nd years .......i don't believe their performances defined their careers ......just dumb
They are talking early Burgoyne, he improve over time,Not sure if I've been watching the same Shaun Burgoyne as other posters
There are 2 discussions about Milera.Guys and Girls, or Persons and Persons.
All this talk about Milera hardness is far too early to call.
Milera can play that aggressive role if need be. And I am basing that on watching Live, as a junior, playing of the half-back line.
He also proved this when play halfback for Centrals, in the finals before being drafted, I watched those games and he was not soft.
he was nailing tackles against fully grown adults at ease.
And yes the comparisons to Shaun Burgoyne could be very accurate, the early Burgoyne not the one everyone sees and remembers today.
After all it took him 3-4 years to start playing good football regularly.
I'm seeing as 2 discussions about Milera too, but on a different take.There are 2 discussions about Milera.
One saying he is not hard and that’s a concern if he stays that way, the other is it doesn’t matter if he isn’t hard.
Of course it matters, soft footballers kill you, but I believe Milera won’t be that and as he develops so will his hardness, it will have to.
There are 2 discussions about Milera.
One saying he is not hard and that’s a concern if he stays that way, the other is it doesn’t matter if he isn’t hard.
Of course it matters, soft footballers kill you, but I believe Milera won’t be that and as he develops so will his hardness, it will have to.
So you haven’t read the posts that don’t require him to be hard because an outside player?I'm seeing as 2 discussions about Milera too, but on a different take.
One form, people can see his potential and has patience for when his potential reaches its peak.
The others either can't see his potential, or think his potential have peaked at the age of 20.
I believe a fair few fans equate lack of apparent hardness as being "not good enough". Hardness will flow on from experience and confidence. Next year will no doubt be his defining year. All he needs to do is continue to improve at AFL level throughout the year, then he should be a regular 22.
That’s where I want him to play this yearHe got the hardness, but he is young and still learning, and goes missing in games again time will improve that, Crows have a good record at developing good talent he developing at a nice rate, he never going to be a tough inside player but more the thief type, he will put his body on the line, But ultimately he a receiver or thief. When I say, thief, I mean in a polite way. He needs to keep his feet for us to get the best value out of him. The breakaway speed with A grade finishing. So the Club is developing him that way, Maybe this year moves into a running Half Back role. As his game style is suited to that role.
Agree I have seen him play in that role and he has the ability to tear a game apart.That’s where I want him to play this year
How could you get something so blatantly wrong from reading this thread??I'm seeing as 2 discussions about Milera too, but on a different take.
One form, people can see his potential and has patience for when his potential reaches its peak.
The others either can't see his potential, or think his potential have peaked at the age of 20.
I believe a fair few fans equate lack of apparent hardness as being "not good enough". Hardness will flow on from experience and confidence. Next year will no doubt be his defining year. All he needs to do is continue to improve at AFL level throughout the year, then he should be a regular 22.
I think Johnny only gets the jist when he’s started the thread.How could you get something so blatantly wrong from reading this thread??
I'd say exactly zero would think that, I've not seen a single person question the obvious talent he has in spades.
Now you know why I don't like to participate in threads over 20 pages long..I think Johnny only gets the jist when he’s started the thread.
Bicks. I normally agree with you on most things. But just because you haven't seen people question his talent, doesn't mean I haven't seen people question his talent. I am sure, and as you can imagine, there are people who would question potential talent for any given player. I'm not making wild allegations here.How could you get something so blatantly wrong from reading this thread??
I'd say exactly zero would think that, I've not seen a single person question the obvious talent he has in spades.
Sorry I disagree, people question his intensity and his propensity to pick and choose what contests he fully commits to and his attack on both the man and ball at times....none of which suggests their doubts are based on a lack of talent.Bicks. I normally agree with you on most things. But just because you haven't seen people question his talent, doesn't mean I haven't seen people question his talent. I am sure, and as you can imagine, there are people who would question potential talent for any given player. I'm not making wild allegations here.
Hardness will come with game time. My point was steered towards we should give him game time to develop his weapons, rather than judge him on hardness factor.
You are making an assumption that I can't distinguish between the 2: people who question his commitment to contests and people who question his talents.Sorry I disagree, people question his intensity and his propensity to pick and choose what contests he fully commits to and his attack on both the man and ball at times....none of which suggests their doubts are based on a lack of talent.
You are making an assumption that I can't distinguish between the 2: people who question his commitment to contests and people who question his talents.
Also you are basically generalising on behalf of BF, and making an assumption everyone is in agreement of his talents!