Toast Wayne Milera signs 5-year extension

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I think there's a very real chance Doedee could end up our next captain. That would be a pretty good result for a guy who, when drafted, was greeted with Crows fans complaining that we didn't draft some bog average vanilla half back Ryan Burton.
Very happy with Doedee but Burton ain’t a big average vanilla half back
 

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He has no standout traits other than his long kicking. I'd take Doedee over him any day.
You might and so would I but he ain’t bog average or vanilla.

He can play on talls or smalls and spanked Tex once. Has decent pace, great kick, can play in defence or up forward. He’s suffered due to injuries as has Doedee but he’s a quality young player.
 

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You might and so would I but he ain’t bog average or vanilla.

He can play on talls or smalls and spanked Tex once. Has decent pace, great kick, can play in defence or up forward. He’s suffered due to injuries as has Doedee but he’s a quality young player.
We must be watching different players. Burton ain't quick. Not saying he's slow either but speed is not a standout attribute. He also doesn't play forward at Port Adelaide. Yes he's gotten on the end of a few chains and kicked a few nice long goals but that doesn't make him a capable forward. By that defintion Smith and Seedsman would be forwards too.
 

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We must be watching different players. Burton ain't quick. Not saying he's slow either but speed is not a standout attribute. He also doesn't play forward at Port Adelaide. Yes he's gotten on the end of a few chains and kicked a few nice long goals but that doesn't make him a capable forward. By that defintion Smith and Seedsman would be forwards too.
For a tall player he’s got reasonable pace.

Just because he doesn’t play forward at Port doesn’t mean he can’t, he played it as a junior, something Seeds and Smith never did.

But I agree, we must be watching two different players.
 

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Tredders seems to be of the opinion that he's now one of our highest paid players, while Bickley has said the opposite and said he sacrificed a bit of coin for the longer deal.

So I guess all we know is everyone is just guessing!
I think he'd be one of the highest paid in guarenteed salary but per year I wouldn't have thought he would be in the top 10 per year
 

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For a tall player he’s got reasonable pace.

Just because he doesn’t play forward at Port doesn’t mean he can’t, he played it as a junior, something Seeds and Smith never did.

But I agree, we must be watching two different players.
Oh the old "he played there as a junior so he can play there in the AFL" argument. Yikes.
 

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Oh the “bog average” player because he’s not on our team. Yikes. That’s something I’d expect from Kristof
Burton probably stacks up against other half backs in the league quite well but he's not quick, he's not a forward and he sure as hell aint no Doedee. My point was that people were wrong to criticise Hamish. He knows better than most of us here on BF.
 

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Burton probably stacks up against other half backs in the league quite well but he's not quick, he's not a forward and he sure as hell aint no Doedee. My point was that people were wrong to criticise Hamish. He knows better than most of us here on BF.
You could have done that without being totally wrong about Burton. What position was he playing when he cleaned up Tex? Half back? Do you think for a tall player he’s slow?
 

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You could have done that without being totally wrong about Burton. What position was he playing when he cleaned up Tex? Half back? Do you think for a tall player he’s slow?
I didn't say Burton was slow, and Tex is well past his prime. Beating him is not the achievement it once was. It's not 2012 anymore.
 

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What position did he play on Tex? Half back?
I call him a half back because that's where he plays most of his footy. You seem to take that as derogatory. I never said he was a weak defender but his 1v1 game is just another feature of his game which in inferior to Doedee.
 

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I call him a half back because that's where he plays most of his footy. You seem to take that as derogatory. I never said he was a weak defender but his 1v1 game is just another feature of his game which in inferior to Doedee.
I said he was capable of playing multiple positions. You keep referring to him as a half back. I keep referring to his game on Tex because he played as a KPD.

You called him bog average. I think you’d struggle to find another poster that shared that opinion.

As I’ve said I would take Doedee ahead of him but that doesn’t make Burton bog average.
 

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I said he was capable of playing multiple positions. You keep referring to him as a half back. I keep referring to his game on Tex because he played as a KPD.

You called him bog average. I think you’d struggle to find another poster that shared that opinion.

As I’ve said I would take Doedee ahead of him but that doesn’t make Burton bog average.
He's bog average compared to Doedee anyway. Clarko must not have thought much of him either. How many times do you see a Vic club willingly let go of a gun SA player?
 

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I think this was a clever decision by the club:
- Milera already has shown enough potential and is on an upward trend (barring the post-shoulder injury in 2019).
- it seems like an early statement as if to say “we’re in a good space right now and the players are backing as in”.
- hopefully can set up a chain reaction for the other young stars (eg. Fog, Doedee) to join in on the chorus with new lengthy contracts.
- perhaps a statement that the Camp back in 2018 wasn’t as bad as it was blown out to be? Particularly as one of the main issue seem to be a cultural indifference between indigenous players (Betts and Hampton were hinted to be involved) and activities.
 

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I think this was a clever decision by the club:
- Milera already has shown enough potential and is on an upward trend (barring the post-shoulder injury in 2019).
- it seems like an early statement as if to say “we’re in a good space right now and the players are backing as in”.
- hopefully can set up a chain reaction for the other young stars (eg. Fog, Doedee) to join in on the chorus with new lengthy contracts.
- perhaps a statement that the Camp back in 2018 wasn’t as bad as it was blown out to be? Particularly as one of the main issue seem to be a cultural indifference between indigenous players (Betts and Hampton were hinted to be involved) and activities.
Damn John you were so close. The first 3 points actually make sense.
 

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- perhaps a statement that the Camp back in 2018 wasn’t as bad as it was blown out to be? Particularly as one of the main issue seem to be a cultural indifference between indigenous players (Betts and Hampton were hinted to be involved) and activities.
Haha you just won’t quit!

Milera re-signing in 2020 after Pyke resigned and Burton and Campo sacked is evidence m that what happened under their watch in 2018 wasn’t so bad. FMD.
 

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My first reaction was...Why?
Dont get me wrong Millera has shown that he has talent but he is also very inconsistent. Hardly a candidate for such a generous term.

5 years seems a long time for someone who had a purple patch a couple seasons ago.

Perhaps this was shopped around to the player managers hoping it would show a new direction for the club and that the issues of the past with some players leaving or pre maturely retiring have been put to rest.

If his 2020 season doesn't match expectations then the club will look silly. So this is a gamble they must be willing to take.
Perhaps he has indicated that his issues were tied to the old club culture. That these issues have been addressed and now there will be nothing holding him back. This makes sense but not necessarily a safe bet.

The problem is these announcements are made without any detail. The only detail is the length of contract.
So we can only guess what the actual contract value is and the thinking behind it.
 

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We must be watching different players. Burton ain't quick. Not saying he's slow either but speed is not a standout attribute. He also doesn't play forward at Port Adelaide. Yes he's gotten on the end of a few chains and kicked a few nice long goals but that doesn't make him a capable forward. By that defintion Smith and Seedsman would be forwards too.
Take off your blinkers, Ryan Burton is an excellent young footballer and it's testament to his character, courage and determination that he's persevered after suffering such horrific injuries and to achieve what he has....end of story. Bar for his injuries and very real doubts on AFL clubs behalf re his future durability he would have gone very, very high in the draft, possibly even the first picked. Both he and Tom Doedee are fine young footballers and fine young men.
 

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Haha you just won’t quit!

Milera re-signing in 2020 after Pyke resigned and Burton and Campo sacked is evidence m that what happened under their watch in 2018 wasn’t so bad. FMD.
Sorry, I felt they got the sack because they didn't bring the results? Your inference about the Camp, would have made more sense if they all got the sack back in 2018.

Junior, being an up and coming indigenous player, is an important signing because we've had 2 departed (Cameron and Betts) and 1 had a premature retirement (Hampton) since the GF. Even if the Milera signing had nothing to do with a statement regarding the Camp, it still has an important implication that we are a welcoming club for Indigenous players. Which I think is an important issue, whether it is intended as such or not.
 

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Junior, being an up and coming indigenous player, is an important signing because we've had 2 departed (Cameron and Betts) and 1 had a premature retirement (Hampton) since the GF. Even if the Milera signing had nothing to do with a statement regarding the Camp, it still has an important implication that we are a welcoming club for Indigenous players. Which I think is an important issue, whether it is intended as such or not.
...and CEY too.
 

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