Toast Wayne Milera signs 5-year extension

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SaltPeter

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It's no coincidence the indigenous guys left, even if all had varying reasons for it.

Things did change for them but the damage was done.

There's a number of the guys still at the club so hopefully they can build the place back up and make it a happier place.
Does this align with WMJ commenting on his belief that it’s time for him to step up?
 

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John Who

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John Who read Eddies comments and then SFTU
Basically the same vague reporting as all the other McNure's articles. If he was so traumatised, why the heck would Betts play on with us in 2019?

And my point remains valid, if the Indigenous players are leaving us because of "bad culture", then why would Milera sign on for 5 years? Not a typical thing to do if you don't enjoy the environment where you're currently at, particularly at this particular lengthy contract.

You love reading things that fit in line with your narrative. Open your mind a little. If not, then stop quoting me from now. Thanks.
 

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Basically the same vague reporting as all the other McNure's articles. If he was so traumatised, why the heck would Betts play on with us in 2019?

And my point remains valid, if the Indigenous players are leaving us because of "bad culture", then why would Milera sign on for 5 years? Not a typical thing to do if you don't enjoy the environment where you're currently at, particularly at this particular lengthy contract.

You love reading things that fit in line with your narrative. Open your mind a little. If not, then stop quoting me from now. Thanks.
And there it is
 

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Basically the same vague reporting as all the other McNure's articles. If he was so traumatised, why the heck would Betts play on with us in 2019?

And my point remains valid, if the Indigenous players are leaving us because of "bad culture", then why would Milera sign on for 5 years? Not a typical thing to do if you don't enjoy the environment where you're currently at, particularly at this particular lengthy contract.

You love reading things that fit in line with your narrative. Open your mind a little. If not, then stop quoting me from now. Thanks.
John, our coach resigned, our GM was sacked, head of strategy sacked. That's a lot of water under the bridge. It's the largest shake up we've seen at the club in ages. Maybe Milera just likes the new regime and he wants to back them in.

5 years is a long time but he's rumoured to be getting married to a local girl so maybe he just wanted the security of a longer contract so he can start a family knowing he wont need to uproot himself and move. The club also likely saved some money by signing him up long term.

Nothing about this suggests the camp wasn't a disaster. Had he signed up for 5 years under the old regime, maybe you would have a point. He didn't though so I don't know why you keep trying to convince people the camp wasn't a huge mistake.
 

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Basically the same vague reporting as all the other McNure's articles. If he was so traumatised, why the heck would Betts play on with us in 2019?

And my point remains valid, if the Indigenous players are leaving us because of "bad culture", then why would Milera sign on for 5 years? Not a typical thing to do if you don't enjoy the environment where you're currently at, particularly at this particular lengthy contract.

You love reading things that fit in line with your narrative. Open your mind a little. If not, then stop quoting me from now. Thanks.
There were direct quotes from Eddie. Seriously, and has been pointed out to you by others, the persons responsible for the camp are gone. Your point is completely irrelevant
 

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John, our coach resigned, our GM was sacked, head of strategy sacked. That's a lot of water under the bridge. It's the largest shake up we've seen at the club in ages. Maybe Milera just likes the new regime and he wants to back them in.

5 years is a long time but he's rumoured to be getting married to a local girl so maybe he just wanted the security of a longer contract so he can start a family knowing he wont need to uproot himself and move. The club also likely saved some money by signing him up long term.

Nothing about this suggests the camp wasn't a disaster. Had he signed up for 5 years under the old regime, maybe you would have a point. He didn't though so I don't know why you keep trying to convince people the camp wasn't a huge mistake.
I don’t want to argue with you in a round about way. You have your opinion and I have mine. I have made valid points just as you have made in this quoted post. This is a civil conversation.
 

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There were direct quotes from Eddie. Seriously, and has been pointed out to you by others, the persons responsible for the camp are gone. Your point is completely irrelevant
Don’t know if you’ve taken the hint, this year and beyond I’m not going to waste my time with you or others who show no respect. I have made valid points on Milera being of Indigenous background and that he was targeted for a lengthy contract not only of his potential but possibly also to erase some of the bad vibes in the past relating to our Indigenous players (rightly or wrongly). Don’t tell me to STFU for me coming up with a valid theory.

Do yourself a favour and don’t quote to me a Victorian news article. They mean SFA to me these days after the McNure saga. People pointing out the persons responsible are gone doesn’t mean jack all regarding a 3 day camp. You don’t think it was mainly to do with all the injuries for the past 2 years, and a sh*t stagnant gameplan rebounding from defense? Anyway, believe what you want to believe. I honestly don’t care.
 

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Don’t know if you’ve taken the hint, this year and beyond I’m not going to waste my time with you or others who show no respect. I have made valid points on Milera being of Indigenous background and that he was targeted for a lengthy contract not only of his potential but possibly also to erase some of the bad vibes in the past relating to our Indigenous players (rightly or wrongly). Don’t tell me to STFU for me coming up with a valid theory.
I don't think this is the part of your argument that people take issue with. It's the part where you argue the camp must not have been that bad because Milera signed up long term which is flawed for reasons that have already been explained to you.

Do yourself a favour and don’t quote to me a Victorian news article. They mean SFA to me these days after the McNure saga. People pointing out the persons responsible are gone doesn’t mean jack all regarding a 3 day camp. You don’t think it was mainly to do with all the injuries for the past 2 years, and a sh*t stagnant gameplan rebounding from defense? Anyway, believe what you want to believe. I honestly don’t care.
McLure is a piece of sh*t but you can't just hand wave away direct quotes from Betts or CEY because you don't like Vic journos.

I'd agree with you that our injury curse in 2018 would hurt our player retention but when the review happened, the players backed in our fitness boss Matt Hass. If they had been disgruntled by the handling of our injuries, I think he likely would have been sacked along with Burton & Campo. Also worth pointing out that hiring Saunders seems to have helped quite a bit with our injury issues.

The "sh*t stagnant" gameplan they reverted to was because we were getting our asses kicked trying to emulate what we were doing in 2017. The players might not have liked the new style but the coaches hands were tied. They had to try something new as staying the course wasn't working and we actually got an uptick in performance initially before it all fell to pieces after the bye.
 

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Don’t know if you’ve taken the hint, this year and beyond I’m not going to waste my time with you or others who show no respect. I have made valid points on Milera being of Indigenous background and that he was targeted for a lengthy contract not only of his potential but possibly also to erase some of the bad vibes in the past relating to our Indigenous players (rightly or wrongly). Don’t tell me to STFU for me coming up with a valid theory.

Do yourself a favour and don’t quote to me a Victorian news article. They mean SFA to me these days after the McNure saga. People pointing out the persons responsible are gone doesn’t mean jack all regarding a 3 day camp. You don’t think it was mainly to do with all the injuries for the past 2 years, and a sh*t stagnant gameplan rebounding from defense? Anyway, believe what you want to believe. I honestly don’t care.
Shakes head
 

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Good news that he is staying but now a day's contracts seem to mean nothing for the player so I don't get too excited about the length of the contract.
 

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John, our coach resigned, our GM was sacked, head of strategy sacked. That's a lot of water under the bridge. It's the largest shake up we've seen at the club in ages. Maybe Milera just likes the new regime and he wants to back them in.
bridge?

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John, our coach resigned, our GM was sacked, head of strategy sacked. That's a lot of water under the bridge. It's the largest shake up we've seen at the club in ages. Maybe Milera just likes the new regime and he wants to back them in.

5 years is a long time but he's rumoured to be getting married to a local girl so maybe he just wanted the security of a longer contract so he can start a family knowing he wont need to uproot himself and move. The club also likely saved some money by signing him up long term.

Nothing about this suggests the camp wasn't a disaster. Had he signed up for 5 years under the old regime, maybe you would have a point. He didn't though so I don't know why you keep trying to convince people the camp wasn't a huge mistake.
I recall the CEY camp thread was locked with John being smashed from all sides (even by non-Crow posters), and this isn’t the first time he’s dropped a subtle one-liner about the camp since then. One could hypothesise that he feels like there’s still some great miscarriage of justice that hasn’t been resolved which is what we’re seeing play out here.

We saw the same pattern with Marty carrying on about the drafting/non-drafting of Doedee/Burton-J.Scharenberg. Little snipes here and there in unrelated threads to try and see if someone will take the bait so they can launch into a diatribe on their pet topic again. Given how long that took to work through, we may still be hearing about how the 2018 camp was a supposed non-issue years from now.

With the main architects of the camp now gone from the club, most people will be able to view Milera’s decision to sign on in the appropriate context.

With this contract I like that we’re showing confidence in backing our younger players instead of what looked to be going on by favouring tenure and experience, and hopefully Milera can repay the faith and deliver the goods over the next 5 years. I get the sense that he’s a confidence player, so having that security should impact positively on his game. Don’t mind if we use him to setup play from the halfback flank, but think his class could be more damaging in a midfield role.
 

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Don’t know if you’ve taken the hint, this year and beyond I’m not going to waste my time with you or others who show no respect. I have made valid points on Milera being of Indigenous background and that he was targeted for a lengthy contract not only of his potential but possibly also to erase some of the bad vibes in the past relating to our Indigenous players (rightly or wrongly). Don’t tell me to STFU for me coming up with a valid theory.

Do yourself a favour and don’t quote to me a Victorian news article. They mean SFA to me these days after the McNure saga. People pointing out the persons responsible are gone doesn’t mean jack all regarding a 3 day camp. You don’t think it was mainly to do with all the injuries for the past 2 years, and a sh*t stagnant gameplan rebounding from defense? Anyway, believe what you want to believe. I honestly don’t care.
For someone who doesn't care what other people think you have gone to a lot of effort to reply and justify your position.
 

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Don’t know if you’ve taken the hint, this year and beyond I’m not going to waste my time with you or others who show no respect. I have made valid points on Milera being of Indigenous background and that he was targeted for a lengthy contract not only of his potential but possibly also to erase some of the bad vibes in the past relating to our Indigenous players (rightly or wrongly). Don’t tell me to STFU for me coming up with a valid theory.

Do yourself a favour and don’t quote to me a Victorian news article. They mean SFA to me these days after the McNure saga. People pointing out the persons responsible are gone doesn’t mean jack all regarding a 3 day camp. You don’t think it was mainly to do with all the injuries for the past 2 years, and a sh*t stagnant gameplan rebounding from defense? Anyway, believe what you want to believe. I honestly don’t care.
In Eddie's own words, the camp killed his love of the game which is so sad as he should have finished playing at AFC like he he said he intended to do before the camp.

The camp was an unmitigated disaster which destroyed the fabric of our club when we were in a premiership window.

Those mostly responsible have now left & hopefully we get the refresh we need to move on. Milera signing on for 5 years is a sign Nicks has changed the vibe of AFC.
 

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Good news that he is staying but now a day's contracts seem to mean nothing for the player so I don't get too excited about the length of the contract.
So? If somebody wants to poach him we can make them pay through the nose.
 

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This is a long contract for his current stage but if we're going to keep players we will need to do this.
 

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