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mattymac said:
This completely contradicts what you said in the Fogarty thread about people that hope Fog gets fast tracked being misguided and that you have faith in Pyke not going in that direction...
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No it doesnt. I said in the same post you commented on that I think the Gold pass should go to Gallucci next. I have faith that Pyke wont play kids that are not ready. I think Fogarty will get his turn when he is ready and not before. The sooner the better, but that all depends how he trains and plays pre-season and SANFL. When he is ready I hope we are in a position to gold pass Fogarty a handful of games too.
 
Banshee23 said:
Needs to play every game - fast track to 50. With CC out, he should slot straight in best 22 each week barring injury.
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Small forward isn't Milera's game.

Smith on the other hand being out means he's likely to be best 22 when fit.
 
mattymac said:
"We suck, we have no outside silk"

Recruit outside silk

"He sucks, doesn't crack in hard in the contest"
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This sums up this board perfectly! There are people on this board who are not happy unless they find something to complain about. The opinions of the board regarding young players oscillate to a ridiculous degree.

At the start of 2015, Jake Kelly was a dud. At the end of 2015, Jake Kelly was a player and big things are expected in 2016. He doesn't get a game in 2016, this board wants him delisted. He has a good 2017 and he is in everyone's best 22 for next season all of a sudden.

The notorious habit of this board is to talk up the young players to the point where expectations are ridiculously, unrealistically high. Once the player doesn't deliver, its time to dig in the boots and point out all sorts of flaws, call them duds etc...

Players, like any other person our there take time to develop and that is not something that can be done overnight. We as people develop over time. No one here was as mature at 18 as they were at 30. Players like all of us go through physical and mental development. Milera is only 19/20 years old. He will be a player. He is a silky outside type so asking him to do bullocking work is like getting a Ferrari and driving it at 30 km/h. It defies logic but those people that don't appreciate a Ferrari will point out the lack of space, fuel consumption and running costs as a major red flags. The car is not meant for that use. Just like Milera's role is not to crack in and get the hard ball. He is more of a Scott Camporeale than Paul Kelly. Both had cracking careers but both were very different players.
 
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Wayne's-World said:
as a HFF ....not a small forward
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I'm pretty sure he can do both ... his draft highlights video is him literally playing and kicking goals in and around the full forward line. To say it's 'not his game' is unnecessarily limiting.
 
Redleg Crow said:
Agree - needs to run and run and run on the wing - delivery lace out to the forwards or hitting a running mid through the middle is his go.
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Milera if he develops has the attributes of Shaun Burgoyne. He has the composure and kick but it's a long long way to go to become like Burgoyne

Hope he can do it, but he's only 2 years in so no reason why he won't


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Banshee23 said:
I'm pretty sure he can do both ... his draft highlights video is him literally playing and kicking goals in and around the full forward line. To say it's 'not his game' is unnecessarily limiting.
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Hmmm, personally I dont think he is a small forward at AFL level. Just isn't the manic tackler that is more or less required at the top.

From Milera this year, I would like to see more consistent games, more use of his weapons and ideally a hardening of his attack on the ball and man.

If we can statistically look at him getting 20+ touches, 3 tackles, 5 rebound or inside 50's and 400+ meters gained per game, we will be looking at Silk Burgoyne mk2
 
Stiffy_18 said:
This sums up this board perfectly! There are people on this board who are not happy unless they find something to complain about. The opinions of the board regarding young players oscillate to a ridiculous degree.

At the start of 2015, Jake Kelly was a dud. At the end of 2015, Jake Kelly was a player and big things are expected in 2016. He doesn't get a game in 2016, this board wants him delisted. He has a good 2017 and he is in everyone's best 22 for next season all of a sudden.

The notorious habit of this board is to talk up the young players to the point where expectations are ridiculously, unrealistically high. Once the player doesn't deliver, its time to dig in the boots and point out all sorts of flaws, call them duds etc...

Players, like any other person our there take time to develop and that is not something that can be done overnight. We as people develop over time. No one here was as mature at 18 as they were at 30. Players like all of us go through physical and mental development. Milera is only 19/20 years old. He will be a player. He is a silky outside type so asking him to do bullocking work is like getting a Ferrari and driving it at 30 km/h. It defies logic but those people that don't appreciate a Ferrari will point out the lack of space, fuel consumption and running costs as a major red flags. The car is not meant for that use. Just like Milera's role is not to crack in and get the hard ball. He is more of a Scott Camporeale than Paul Kelly. Both had cracking careers but both were very different players.
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You don't shirk the contest when the balls there to be won and it's your turn to go either which Milera blatantly did on multiple occasions during the season. It's one thing to be an "outside" player but when your the only player in the general area for the contested ball you go, it's a non negotiable. Mackay is an "outside" player and is still lightly built but you don't see him hang off a contest when the balls there to be won he puts his body on the line every time even if he comes off second best. The jury's out with me until I see evidence of Milera attacking every contest at 100% commitment. Rag me all you like until I see it to me he'll be just another highly talented player that's failed to live up to his undoubted potential.
 
Bicks said:
You don't shirk the contest when the balls there to be won and it's your turn to go either which Milera blatantly did on multiple occasions during the season. It's one thing to be an "outside" player but when your the only player in the general area for the contested ball you go, it's a non negotiable. Mackay is an "outside" player and is still lightly built but you don't see him hang off a contest when the balls there to be won he puts his body on the line every time even if he comes off second best. The jury's out with me until I see evidence of Milera attacking every contest at 100% commitment. Rag me all you like until I see it to me he'll be just another highly talented player that's failed to live up to his undoubted potential.
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Then you're seeing things that i didn't ....or exaggerating the incidents

Without trivialising what you're saying if i sat you down each week & watched a replay ......i could identify 7-8 players making weak & half hearted attempts

Still think you're being harsh on a 19 year old .......i'll point out for you during 2018 all the similar incidents for Berry ......and i can guarantee there will be similar to Milera
 
Redleg Crow said:
If he gets up to 20+ disposals a game (and 65% kicks) I won't worry too much about the defensive intensity. His job is to create.

That said, and tackle every now and then wouldn't go astray!
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That's how I feel, 20 plus disposals a game will be deadly from Wayne. His disposals are quality.
 
Squiba said:
Hmmm, personally I dont think he is a small forward at AFL level. Just isn't the manic tackler that is more or less required at the top.

From Milera this year, I would like to see more consistent games, more use of his weapons and ideally a hardening of his attack on the ball and man.

If we can statistically look at him getting 20+ touches, 3 tackles, 5 rebound or inside 50's and 400+ meters gained per game, we will be looking at Silk Burgoyne mk2
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Besides that ......Milera's strength is running & breaking lines, and opening up the opposition with that baulking ....delivering elite foot-passes

Those strengths are lost completely as a small forward ......play the guy to his strengths
 

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Wayne's-World said:
Then you're seeing things that i didn't ....or exaggerating the incidents

Without trivialising what you're saying if i sat you down each week & watched a replay ......i could identify 7-8 players making weak & half hearted attempts

Still think you're being harsh on a 19 year old .......i'll point out for you during 2018 all the similar incidents for Berry ......and i can guarantee there will be similar to Milera
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Total bullshit, Milera has more natural talent than Jarrod Berry no argument but Berry is one of the hardest youngsters I've ever seen play the game and will NEVER shirk a contest, not in the past, not now, and not in the future, you seriously have NFI to suggest otherwise. And WTF has Berry got to do with how Milera plays the game, I'll tell you....ZERO.

You couldn't possibly pick two players so different in the way they play the game if you tried, one's a hard nosed, big bodied contested bull with elite endurance, the other a pacy, lighter built outside player with elite skills who at this stage shows a lack of any real hunger for the contested ball.
 
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Bicks said:
Total bullshit, Milera has more natural talent than Jarrod Berry no argument but Berry is one of the hardest youngsters I've ever seen play the game and will NEVER shirk a contest, not in the past, not now, and not in the future, you seriously have NFI to suggest otherwise. And WTF has Berry got to do with how Milera plays the game, I'll tell you....ZERO.

You couldn't possibly pick two players so different in the way they play the game if you tried, one's a hard nosed, big bodied contested bull with elite endurance, the other a pacy, lighter built outside player with elite skills who at this stage shows a lack of any real hunger for the contested ball.
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Obviously hit a sore spot .......love it when relatives / family friends defend players

If you're going to besmirch a player, better ensure, when you say Berry will NEVER shirk a contest that he doesn't ......my experience is all players at some point have had a weak effort at a contest

The point is two people can look a players weak effort, one will not blink an eyelid ...whilst the other will go on social media & lambast a 19 yo

Don't tell me you haven't seen Dangerfield "switch off" and chase half hearted & not go as hard .......of course he has, but that hasn't defined his career, as it won't Milera's
 
Wayne's-World said:
Then you're seeing things that i didn't ....or exaggerating the incidents

Without trivialising what you're saying if i sat you down each week & watched a replay ......i could identify 7-8 players making weak & half hearted attempts

Still think you're being harsh on a 19 year old .......i'll point out for you during 2018 all the similar incidents for Berry ......and i can guarantee there will be similar to Milera
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No Wayne, he's seeing things that you're ignoring and you constantly make the excuse about his age. Sure he is still learning his craft but when its his turn he needs to attack the contest....player and ball.
He's not going to magically wake up one day when he's 26 and start doing it, he needs to do it now and it needs to become instinctive and an automatic reaction.

Lets not also make further excuses cause you can identify another 7-8 players that make weak and half hearted attempts......the discussion is about Wayne and what he needs to do to improve and more importantly what he needs to do to help improve the team overall.

How long to you want to give him to improve in this area? You said we already have 7/8....do we need another 19 year old doing the same thing?? So that when we get to another GF we end up with the same result as we did this year because we've allowed a culture of spectating.

He's 19, those bad habits need to stop and they need to stop now.

Lets call it for what it is, he has enormous potential, kicking/skill and vision is fantastic but he has some glaring deficiencies.
 
Big Gazoongas said:
How long to you want to give him to improve in this area? You said we already have 7/8....do we need another 19 year old doing the same thing?? So that when we get to another GF we end up with the same result as we did this year because we've allowed a culture of spectating.

He's 19, those bad habits need to stop and they need to stop now.

Lets call it for what it is, he has enormous potential, kicking/skill and vision is fantastic but he has some glaring deficiencies.
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FFS once again ......you're defining a 19yo's career with 12 or so games of AFL ......get real !!

ALL PLAYERS HAVE A DEVELOPMENT CURVE .......you may have heard of that term ? ......last i heard most 18 year olds entering the AFL system are not the finished product ....although i could be wrong :rolleyes:

Just think back to the dialogue on Walker, Lynch, Dangerfield in their 2nd years .......i don't believe their performances defined their careers ......just dumb
 
Wayne's-World said:
FFS once again ......you're defining a 19yo's career with 12 or so games of AFL ......get real !!

ALL PLAYERS HAVE A DEVELOPMENT CURVE .......you may have heard of that term ? ......last i heard most 18 year olds entering the AFL system are not the finished product ....although i could be wrong :rolleyes:

Just think back to the dialogue on Walker, Lynch, Dangerfield in their 2nd years .......i don't believe their performances defined their careers ......just dumb
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That's all fine and good but most young players get better the more exposure they have to AFL, IMO Milera's contested footy regressed this season.
 
Bicks said:
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That's all fine and good but most young players get better the more exposure they have to AFL, IMO Milera's contested footy regressed this season.
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Born Sept .....played his 2017 AFL games as a young 19YO
 

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I've watched the 97 and 98 GFs lately. One thing stands out. Every player cracked in when it was his turn to go. None of this 'but. but, but...I'm an Outside Player..."
There was a much harder edge to those sides than out present bunch. I'm with Benny on this.
 
Bicks said:
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That's all fine and good but most young players get better the more exposure they have to AFL, IMO Milera's contested footy regressed this season.
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I really rate Milera as his first few games were excellent for an AFL rookie. I agree he hasn't shown as much flare this year, but I think it's a combination of coaches instructions to a different game style and his still learning to adjust with the game style and playing to his natural game. He still has a lot of upside.
 
John Who said:
I really rate Milera as his first few games were excellent for an AFL rookie. I agree he hasn't shown as much flare this year, but I think it's a combination of coaches instructions to a different game style and his still learning to adjust with the game style and playing to his natural game. He still has a lot of upside.
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Milera is not failing but he isn't Clayton Oliver either

I think he will become a 200 gamer and not being a top 10 pick is a pretty handy pick


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Wayne's-World said:
as a HFF ....not a small forward
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Milera would waste away as a small forward. We need to get him around the ball on the outside to create the play. Ideally HBF or wingman.
 

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