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Player Watch Wayne Milera

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Wayne's-World said:
2018 ......easily Best 22
2020 ......Star Status !
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I know you thinking. ;)

Just want to hear from anyone who doesn't think Milera will be best 22 next year.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
I know you thinking. ;)

Just want to hear from anyone who doesn't think Milera will be best 22 next year.
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Just in case though .....Milera Supporter here

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marty36 said:
It's just another Pavlich / McGregor moment but worse because McGregor was an SA lad and rated quite highly actually higher than Pav. Same can't be said about Burton and Doedee


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Probably time to Park the discussion till end of next season .....then we'll have a better comparison .....you never know, Burton may fall to pieces :p

Seems like the debate that raged with the Ebert V Danger drafting ......IIRC the Ebert supporters also took an early lead in the debate
 

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Kane McGoodwin said:
Ps. Who on this board doesn't think Milera is best 22?
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Well, he wasn't this year and isn't now. Whether he gets that status next year depends entirely on whether he improves relative to his competitors. I can't say whether or not that will happen, but I'm hoping it does. He definitely went backwards this year, including the deficiencies noted by others. I bought the hype in 2016, but now I'm more rational and want to see delivery on the potential: it's no sure thing, IMO.
 
BRL121 said:
Well, he wasn't this year and isn't now. Whether he gets that status next year depends entirely on whether he improves relative to his competitors. I can't say whether or not that will happen, but I'm hoping it does. He definitely went backwards this year, including the deficiencies noted by others. I bought the hype in 2016, but now I'm more rational and want to see delivery on the potential: it's no sure thing, IMO.
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:rolleyes: .......

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Wayne's-World said:
Probably time to Park the discussion till end of next season .....then we'll have a better comparison .....you never know, Burton may fall to pieces :p

Seems like the debate that raged with the Ebert V Danger drafting ......IIRC the Ebert supporters also took an early lead in the debate
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Interesting that Ebert danger is in the Milera thread. If Milera fails we lost on drafting Danger over Ebert

I'm hoping Milera continues to develop all looks reasonable at this stage


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John Who said:
You are making an assumption that I can't distinguish between the 2: people who question his commitment to contests and people who question his talents.
Also you are basically generalising on behalf of BF, and making an assumption everyone is in agreement of his talents!
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FMD is this post serious cause that's what's exactly happening on this board.
 
BRL121 said:
Well, he wasn't this year and isn't now. Whether he gets that status next year depends entirely on whether he improves relative to his competitors. I can't say whether or not that will happen, but I'm hoping it does. He definitely went backwards this year, including the deficiencies noted by others. I bought the hype in 2016, but now I'm more rational and want to see delivery on the potential: it's no sure thing, IMO.
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So how many players Milera's age are best 22 in a top team?

What do you think Milera.needs to do to improve?

Personally, I think he needs another big preseason to build his tank to better run out games, as he has the talent.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
So how many players Milera's age are best 22 in a top team?

What do you think Milera.needs to do to improve?

Personally, I think he needs another big preseason to build his tank to better run out games, as he has the talent.
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You asked whether he is best 22: the answer is clearly no.

I agree entirely with your last sentence: he needs to improve the tank. He bulked up a bit at the start of this year, but to little effect.
I want to see him take on the game and put in the effort on all occasions. I also want to see some of the dazzling multiple sidesteps that he showed against Richmond last year! This year, he looked subdued mentally, without the joie de vivre of early 2016. What gives me some hope is the energetic and sparkling first quarter he played in one match this year (can't remember the oppo) the week after a very poor match, when many of us were calling for his dropping. This was exactly what I am looking for from him: it seemed to me that he had been given a rocket by the coaches, and it showed. Unfortunately, that effort disappeared for the rest of the match, but it shows his capabilities. This effort needs to happen all game, every game. Perhaps, he is a player who needs rockets, rather than coddling?
 
BRL121 said:
You asked whether he is best 22: the answer is clearly no.

I agree entirely with your last sentence: he needs to improve the tank. He bulked up a bit at the start of this year, but to little effect.
I want to see him take on the game and put in the effort on all occasions. I also want to see some of the dazzling multiple sidesteps that he showed against Richmond last year! This year, he looked subdued mentally, without the joie de vivre of early 2016. What gives me some hope is the energetic and sparkling first quarter he played in one match this year (can't remember the oppo) the week after a very poor match, when many of us were calling for his dropping. This was exactly what I am looking for from him: it seemed to me that he had been given a rocket by the coaches, and it showed. Unfortunately, that effort disappeared for the rest of the match, but it shows his capabilities. This effort needs to happen all game, every game. Perhaps, he is a player who needs rockets, rather than coddling?
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I'd like to know your best 22 if Milera isn't in it


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marty36 said:
I'd like to know your best 22 if Milera isn't in it


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My "best 22" is irrelevant. I'm merely taking the experimental evidence that he was not in the side at the end of the season, even given injuries. Thus makes him not best 22, by definition.

Therefore, something will need to change to alter that state of affairs.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
So how many players Milera's age are best 22 in a top team?

What do you think Milera.needs to do to improve?

Personally, I think he needs another big preseason to build his tank to better run out games, as he has the talent.
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Yet this preseason once again he has proven to be close to the apex in the endurance testing, no different to last preseason, I think some people are confusing his lack of intensity with a lack of tank to put it bluntly.
 

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Kane McGoodwin said:
Ps. Who on this board doesn't think Milera is best 22?
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I dont know. I think he is in that 20-24 order for me. Happy for him to start the year though so maybe its a yes
 
BRL121 said:
My "best 22" is irrelevant. I'm merely taking the experimental evidence that he was not in the side at the end of the season, even given injuries. Thus makes him not best 22, by definition.

Therefore, something will need to change to alter that state of affairs.
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You're forgetting we've lost a few post-season. Thus he currently could be our "best 22". Hopefully another solid preseason, some more aggro, then we will see the best of Milera for next year.
I think it's unfair to make statements of "regression". It's more likely he took a few steps forward and 1 or 2 steps back. So it's more like "no apparent advancements" rather than the "regression" in 2017.
 
marty36 said:
I would agree with Lever and CC gone and replaced by Gibbs and Gov, he does seem like the 23rd player after the finishing 20 plus Gibbs and Gov


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Why does everyone judge their 2018 based on players 2017 output ? .......sure you can do with experienced players (JJ, Sloane, Walker ect) ......but not the 1-4 year players

Do you think the 2018 Gallucci will be the same player as the 2017 ? .......Poholke, Milera, Doedee ?

It's exactly this sort of player appraisal that saw only a minority talking Greenwood up, at this stage last year
 
Wayne's-World said:
Why does everyone judge their 2018 based on players 2017 output ? .......sure you can do with experienced players (JJ, Sloane, Walker ect) ......but not the 1-4 year players

Do you think the 2018 Gallucci will be the same player as the 2017 ? .......Poholke, Milera, Doedee ?

It's exactly this sort of player appraisal that saw only a minority talking Greenwood up, at this stage last year
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Apart from the last game of the year we were easily the best team of the year, so bringing in Gibbs and Gov and maybe Smith for next year in a GF are those three going to change the outcome if we can make it that's a lot of changes to this years end team


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1990crow said:
Milera will be best 22 next year. Just need him to continue hitting the weights.
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You have to get in and amongst it before the weights room pays off.

Id throw him in the ring before the weights room, and besides, he really isnt that slight and never has been.
 
marty36 said:
Apart from the last game of the year we were easily the best team of the year, so bringing in Gibbs and Gov and maybe Smith for next year in a GF are those three going to change the outcome if we can make it that's a lot of changes to this years end team

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Well we certainly can't simply repeat last years efforts ......there were warning signs throughout the season (NM, MELB) that only become obvious in hindsight ......so the gameplan / structure will change .....it's one of the reasons we chased Gibson

Lost Cameron, so we desperately need what Charlie could do (same Smith) .....which was to break a game open offensively .....step up Milera

Yes ...i can see at least 4 changes
 

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