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Hahaha and there it is, the laughably baseless conversation article. You do realise that article is just a mathematical projection and based on Pfizers advertising numbers pre-delta variant, not on actual data or actual figures post delta variant.

This just shows the misinformation spread amongst the populous.

You realise the article specifically cites "Recent reports from the Victorian Department of Health" finding that unvaccinated people are ten times more likely to contract COVID than vaccinated people. As well as citing Doherty, it also cites a non peer viewed paper from various people, non affiliated with pfizer.

The article at no point references pfizers advertising numbers.
 
not sure what point you're trying to make? the term drug is used in plain language medical information regularly. Take a look at this description of asprin.
I'm saying if they didn't change the definition of vaccine to suit these new mRNA drugs then they couldn't market it as a vaccine.

They are trading off the good name of vaccines that actually provides genuine immunity .

In the process they have lowered the bar significantly of what is acceptable as a vaccine.

These mRNA vaccines will slowly come off the markets when more effective traditional vaccines are bought onto the market .

Unfortunately real vaccines take more time and resources
 
I'm saying if they didn't change the definition of vaccine to suit these new mRNA drugs then they couldn't market it as a vaccine.

They are trading off the good name of vaccines that actually provides genuine immunity .

In the process they have lowered the bar significantly of what is acceptable as a vaccine.
The influenza vaccines say "Hi"....
 

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I'm saying if they didn't change the definition of vaccine to suit these new mRNA drugs then they couldn't market it as a vaccine.

They are trading off the good name of vaccines that actually provides genuine immunity .

In the process they have lowered the bar significantly of what is acceptable as a vaccine.

These mRNA vaccines will slowly come off the markets when more effective traditional vaccines are bought onto the market .

Unfortunately real vaccines take more time and resources

So what are you proposing should have happened in the interim, while the “real vaccines” with efficacy closer to 100 per cent are developed?
 
I'm saying if they didn't change the definition of vaccine to suit these new mRNA drugs then they couldn't market it as a vaccine.

They are trading off the good name of vaccines that actually provides genuine immunity .

In the process they have lowered the bar significantly of what is acceptable as a vaccine.

These mRNA vaccines will slowly come off the markets when more effective traditional vaccines are bought onto the market .

Unfortunately real vaccines take more time and resources

You should probably read up more about past vaccines then my friend.

They changed the language because people who don't actually know what vaccines do, were getting confused. It was a clarification so that the unwashed masses who aren't medical or science folk, could understand that a vaccine doesn't actually always provide 'immunity', yet is still a vaccine.
 
I'm saying if they didn't change the definition of vaccine to suit these new mRNA drugs then they couldn't market it as a vaccine.

They are trading off the good name of vaccines that actually provides genuine immunity .

In the process they have lowered the bar significantly of what is acceptable as a vaccine.

These mRNA vaccines will slowly come off the markets when more effective traditional vaccines are bought onto the market .

Unfortunately real vaccines take more time and resources
What the hell are you talking about? I get the flu shot every year and have done so for decades. Not once has that made me think I was immune to the flu, nor has it stopped me getting the flu completely. What it did was reduce the length and severity when I did get the flu.
This was the deal, always has been.
Sorry that doesnt fit your narrative and staunch defence of the 'good name of vaccines'.
 
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What the hell are you talking about? I get the flu shot every year and have done so for decades. Not once has that made me think I was immune to the flu, not has it stopped me getting the flu completely. What it did was reduce the length and severity when I did get the flu.
This was the deal, always has been.
Sorry that doesnt fit your narrative and staunch defence of the 'good name of vaccines'.

And guess what happens as well? When the length and severity of your illness is reduced, the chances of you spreading the aforementioned illness is also reduced. Which, drumroll please, reduces the total number of people impacted by the illness! It's astounding! A miracle!
 
So what are you proposing should have happened in the interim, while the “real vaccines” with efficacy closer to 100 per cent are developed?
I have no problem with people taking covid vaccine. If you are in an at risk category you would be mad not to take it

I just don't like it being mandated for healthy young people .

Why do they need to take it ?

To protect unhealthy people ?

This is a pandemic of the elderly and obese .
Jones isn't working in an old peoples home

In Liam Jones age category there is a 1 in 4009 chance of dying from covid . Its probably way higher given Jones health and fitness levels .

Afl players also get tested for covid more than a few times a week so if he did contract it he would just isolate like every other person .
 
I have no problem with people taking covid vaccine. If you are in an at risk category you would be mad not to take it

I just don't like it being mandated for healthy young people .

Why do they need to take it ?

To protect unhealthy people ?

This is a pandemic of the elderly and obese .
Jones isn't working in an old peoples home

In Liam Jones age category there is a 1 in 4009 chance of dying from covid . Its probably way higher given Jones health and fitness levels .

Afl players also get tested for covid more than a few times a week so if he did contract it he would just isolate like every other person .
Santa is both elderly and obese. Clearly you just want Santa dead.
 
I have no problem with people taking covid vaccine. If you are in an at risk category you would be mad not to take it

I just don't like it being mandated for healthy young people .

Why do they need to take it ?

To protect unhealthy people ?

This is a pandemic of the elderly and obese .
Jones isn't working in an old peoples home

In Liam Jones age category there is a 1 in 4009 chance of dying from covid . Its probably way higher given Jones health and fitness levels .

Afl players also get tested for covid more than a few times a week so if he did contract it he would just isolate like every other person .

You’re assuming:
(a) the only negative effect of Covid is death, so if he’s not the 1 in 4,009 who dies then he’ll be fine. Not the case, there’s plenty of evidence of the effects of “long Covid” being felt for months after contracting Covid, including in fit healthy young people;
(b) if/when he does contract it he could just isolate and avoid infecting people around him, particularly any people with pre-existing conditions (like the bloke at the locker next to him, currently undergoing leukemia) or who are otherwise vulnerable, which assumes it’s been caught quickly enough.
 
The common cold is in the corona virus family, has been around for ages and has not vaccine. MERS and SARS are also corona virus family from the more recent past.

Phenomenal science to get where they are with COVID19 and Novavax should help those with any sort of science-based reluctance. Really incredible stuff.
Everyone loves a pedant so I'll point out its the other way round. Amongst the family of common cold viruses (hundreds) there four coronaviruses
 

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You’re assuming:
(a) the only negative effect of Covid is death, so if he’s not the 1 in 4,009 who dies then he’ll be fine. Not the case, there’s plenty of evidence of the effects of “long Covid” being felt for months after contracting Covid, including in fit healthy young people;
(b) if/when he does contract it he could just isolate and avoid infecting people around him, particularly any people with pre-existing conditions (like the bloke at the locker next to him, currently undergoing leukemia) or who are otherwise vulnerable, which assumes it’s been caught quickly enough.
I doubt dochety is training at the moment
 
Last I checked there wasn't a cheap, easy to administer, injection for "healthy weight and exercising regularly".
Those obese people and long term smokers didn't give a shit about their health .
Now they want healthy people to get a medical treatment to protect them ?
 

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Those obese people and long term smokers didn't give a sh*t about their health .
Now they want healthy people to get a medical treatment to protect them ?

Nah.

The health system wants people to get a vaccine to protect it.

So that if you're a young, healthy person, who has a car crash, there's a bed for you. If your grandma who's healthy but a bit old has a fall, there's an ambulance for her. If your uncle, who's worked hard his whole life but carries a few extra kg's has a heart attack, there's doctors for him.

All of those people also deserve access to healthcare, all of those things aren't easily prevented with a simple jab that has little-to-no risk compared to being actually exposed to the virus the vaccination protects you against.

Should people live healthier lives? Yes.

Does that therefore mean we shouldn't vaccinate the population during a global pandemic where all current evidence shows the vaccines are significantly safer than the virus, are very effective at limiting the number of severe cases of the virus, and where a high percentage of the population is highly likely to be exposed to the virus as we re-open? No.
 
Those obese people and long term smokers didn't give a sh*t about their health .
Now they want healthy people to get a medical treatment to protect them ?
So they are the only ones at risk? Not, say, someone undergoing cancer treatment with a high chance of recovery? Or someone with an otherwise perfectly manageable asthma? This is why the term selfish is the best one to use when it comes to the anti-vaxx type, only thinking about themselves, screw everyone else (and that's ignoring the fact that just because someone is obese, they don't deserve to die because of other people's ignorance).
 
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