We cannot be hypocrites

[Mitchell Madness]

not being hypocritical. Buddy's was a perfect bump which slipped high as a result of Cousins slipping. it was not premeditated.

Lloyd ran off half forward, saw sewell over the ball and still continued to run in...



cant believe noone mentions atkinson. left the ground and collected Birch. Just as dog of an act.




the game is soft because Buddy did everything within the rules (you could argue there was no contact to the head of cousins. what lloyd did always has been judged as a bit of a dog act.

 

[noosa hawk mad]

Prefer my retribution on the field myself.

I don't think the incidents were all that similar but I can see where the OP is coming from and concur.

The only thing that bothers me is a dejavu feeling that it might of been a set play ala Yeates-Brereton, but that's just me probably.

I Feel the same TWITA Lloyd lined him up nothing like what Buddy did Brace for Contact!

 

[itchy]

not being hypocritical. Buddy's was a perfect bump which slipped high as a result of Cousins slipping. it was not premeditated.

Lloyd ran off half forward, saw sewell over the ball and still continued to run in...

Took the words out of my mouth. Anyone who thinks Hawthorn supporters are hypocrites for being outraged at this incident knows little about the game. I was there and watched Lloyd make a be-line for Sewell. He wasn't going to stop and Lloyd should have the book thrown at him. He showed intent, recklessness and little care for the well being of another footballer. Buddy's incident was poles apart because he actually went to bum cousins and 'accidentally' caught part of Cousins on the chin. Early on in the week, dont forget Cousins went into bat for Buddy saying that he wasn't in complete control and was moving from side to side. Brad Sewell will NOT be going into bat for Lloyd I can assure you.

 

[Sole]

Perhaps if Cousins had his head directly over the ball, and couldn't see what was coming. Buddy bumped him fair and square, the head high contact was incidental. So, the head is sacrosanct, and he got suspended. Ok, fine. Lloyd lined Sewell up, and hit only his head. There was a huge difference between the two.

 

[PottSie2]

A lot of people described Buddy's bump as a perfect hip and shoulder or fair bump. Nobody can say the same for Lloydy. Not hypocritical at all. Only the insanely jealous could draw similarities between the bumps.

Remember, head is sacrosanct, he is gone. Buddy got done because of the law, Lloydy should get done because it was an obviously incorrect bump.

 

[nohairandfair]

I've watched the collision several times in slo-mo and noticed that Sewell contributed to the severity of the contact by quickly raising his head into the shoulder of Lloyd.

Lloyd really could't have anticipated this action and is being unfairly maligned for just a football incident, albeit a regretable one for Sewell.

Same thing happened to Buddy last week.

It's a high speed game, and inevitably nasty collisions are going occur at times. The law-makers/judiciary need to consider intent rather than making blanket rules for head-high contact.

 

[ilmc]

I don't like the rule, but given what's happened to Buddy, I would at least like to see some consistency from the MRP.

 

[QuietB]

Believe that and you might as well believe that the tooth fairy visited Buddy.

Poor Season from the Hawks - little boys running around thinking that they are more talented than they actually are. Meanwhile Coach Grumpy should concentrate on tactics instead of barracking.

Hawthornland isn't as tough as it thinks it is.

%^$# off oneeyyedcat. Our season might be over, but we will be back bigger and better than ever next year.

Geelong are completely finished as a seious threat. Sianara pussy's.

 

[borgo]

I've watched the collision several times in slo-mo and noticed that Sewell contributed to the severity of the contact by quickly raising his head into the shoulder of Lloyd.

Lloyd really could't have anticipated this action and is being unfairly maligned for just a football incident, albeit a regretable one for Sewell.

Same thing happened to Buddy last week.

It's a high speed game, and inevitably nasty collisions are going occur at times. The law-makers/judiciary need to consider intent rather than making blanket rules for head-high contact.

The whole reason the person with their head over the football must be protected is for this very reason. Had Sewell not raised his head, God only knows what injuries he would have sustained to his neck and spine.
Very clearly different to the Buddy case.

 

[mxett]

Lloyd collided with Sewell front on, unlike Buddy, who turned side on to forcefully bump.

Lloyd had his hands out to attempt to gain possession and was therefore not clearly attempting to bump, unlike budy who assumed the bump position.

Lloyd was in heavy traffic with an oponent contacting him from behind, unlike Buddy who was in clear space when he intentionally bumped Cousins.

I'm not saying Buddy deserved a suspension, but to say Lloyds collision was was much worse because it was deliberate is just blind bias.

Lloyd had a similar collision with Judd last year. They collided front on and clashed heads. It was an unfortunate accident and nothing more, just like this collision today.

 

[hawks_legends]

I want the bump to stay in the game.

But after what happenned last week with Buddy I think the AFL has no other choice but to suspend Llyod. They have dug themselves into a hole.

 

[Bosk]

Cousins did not have his head over the ball like Sewell did.
Lloyd also lined Sewell up from 20m away, he was always going to go for it.

Nothing more needs to be said. If you can't understand the above then please stay out of the argument.

Lloyd deliberately took one of our players out of the game. Franklin's bump was accidental.

If you can't see the difference between them I'm afraid you're simply blind and need to get your eyes checked.

 

[Bosk]

Lloyd collided with Sewell front on, unlike Buddy, who turned side on to forcefully bump.

Lloyd had his hands out to attempt to gain possession and was therefore not clearly attempting to bump, unlike budy who assumed the bump position.

Lloyd was in heavy traffic with an oponent contacting him from behind, unlike Buddy who was in clear space when he intentionally bumped Cousins.

I'm not saying Buddy deserved a suspension, but to say Lloyds collision was was much worse because it was deliberate is just blind bias.

Lloyd had a similar collision with Judd last year. They collided front on and clashed heads. It was an unfortunate accident and nothing more, just like this collision today.

Sorry, I'm calling bullsh*t on your entire post.

Remove your head from your ar*e and re-evaluate the footage, this time try to pretend that you aren't an Essendon supporter and that you won't say anything to protect Lloyd simply because he happens to be your (shi**y excuse for a) captain.

Now please P*ss off back to your own board and stop trolling this one thank you very much!

 

[table tennis]

I want the bump to stay in the game.

But after what happened last week with Buddy I think the AFL has no other choice but to suspend Llyod. They have dug themselves into a whole.

Lloydy will get 3 weeks probably reduced with a early plea. To me as an Essendon supporter, I can wear that.

After last week, He has no chance. I dont think he had the intention to clean up Sewell, I think he just wanted to show his teammates how to attack the ball, and what was required in finals like football. He was clearly over zealous.

Brown's reaction on radio was silly. pot calling the kettle black, and ended up sounding like sour grapes.

Lloyd should be suspended. Just as Buddy should have been, under these ridiculous rules that the AFL has now put onto our great game.

 

[mxett]

Nothing more needs to be said. If you can't understand the above then please stay out of the argument.

Lloyd deliberately took one of our players out of the game. Franklin's bump was accidental.

If you can't see the difference between them I'm afraid you're simply blind and need to get your eyes checked.

This is irrelevant because Lloyd was not intending to bump Sewell.

It was an accidental collision with Lloyd moving front on towards the ball with his arms out in an attemtp to collect it. Whether Sewels head is down or not is inconsequential.

 

[mxett]

Sorry, I'm calling bullsh*t on your entire post.

Remove your head from your ar*e and re-evaluate the footage, this time try to pretend that you aren't an Essendon supporter and that you won't say anything to protect Lloyd simply because he happens to be your (shi**y excuse for a) captain.

Now please P*ss off back to your own board and stop trolling this one thank you very much!

LOL, your call of bullsh*t is very entertaining but still doesnt dispute the fact that Lloyd was front on attacking the ball, not "lined up" in a ready position for a foreceful bump.

Nice try, but use some facts next time.

 

[itchy]

This is irrelevant because Lloyd was not intending to bump Sewell.

It was an accidental collision with Lloyd moving front on towards the ball with his arms out in an attemtp to collect it. Whether Sewels head is down or not is inconsequential.

Mxett...if you believe that then you are either an idiot or weren't at the game. I had a birds eye view of Lloyd running off the half forward line directly at Sewell and he wasn't stopping until he barreled someone over.

The point of this thread is not to be hypocrites and most of us are saying that Buddy's incident is different from Lloyds however, anyone will agree that given the current rule about head contact, he will get rubbed out just like Buddy but I believe he will go for at least 3 weeks...maybe 4 because of the severity of the incident

Let's just see who is right come next week.

 

[m0zza]

Bump or forceful front-on contact doesn't matter.
The rule explicitly makes them the same

 

[mxett]

Mxett...if you believe that then you are either an idiot or weren't at the game. I had a birds eye view of Lloyd running off the half forward line directly at Sewell and he wasn't stopping until he barreled someone over.

The point of this thread is not to be hypocrites and most of us are saying that Buddy's incident is different from Lloyds however, anyone will agree that given the current rule about head contact, he will get rubbed out just like Buddy but I believe he will go for at least 3 weeks...maybe 4

Let's just see who is right come next week.

I certainly was at the game, but not close enough to make a judgment at the time.

Listening to the talk back on the way home I was suprised to see the fottage from multiple angles showing Lloyd clearly going for the ball, and in NO WAY delivering a typical bump.

It was a collision, as many impartial supporters have said on many posts tonight.

 

[mxett]

Bump or forceful front-on contact doesn't matter.
The rule explicitly makes them the same

So if two players have eyes for the ball and run front on into each other, one falling unconcious, the other fine, is that reportable?

 

[itchy]

IMO, Lloyd had intent to injure Sewell or at the very least was reckless which will mean he will get rubbed out..simple.

 

[James Buchanan]

I certainly was at the game, but not close enough to make a judgment at the time.

Listening to the talk back on the way home I was suprised to see the fottage from multiple angles showing Lloyd clearly going for the ball, and in NO WAY delivering a typical bump.

It was a collision, as many impartial supporters have said on many posts tonight.

I'll see your impartial supporters with many other impartial supporters who have said it was a dog act. He's gone. It was reckless, high and high to severe impact. I'm going on mozza's formula here, but that's 4-5 weeks, even if he accepts the guilty plea.

 

[m0zza]

Just telling you the rule, not for a moment claiming that it was a well thought and carefully written piece of legislation.

The rule specifically protects the player with his head over the ball (Sewell)

I hope nobody would be suspended for a head clash, but the rule as written does not exclude the possibility.

 

[Crazyhawk]

Pathetic thread. Incidents were so far from similar, it's like comparing a car with a boat because they both have engines.

 

[Gold Member]

I've watched the collision several times in slo-mo and noticed that Sewell contributed to the severity of the contact by quickly raising his head into the shoulder of Lloyd.

Lloyd really could't have anticipated this action and is being unfairly maligned for just a football incident, albeit a regretable one for Sewell.

Same thing happened to Buddy last week.

It's a high speed game, and inevitably nasty collisions are going occur at times. The law-makers/judiciary need to consider intent rather than making blanket rules for head-high contact.

**** off idiot