We Don't Need New Players

[Hamingja]

Just need to miss the eight for a few years and draft your Stephenson, De Goey, Treloar types.

Only problem with that for us is by that stage Dangerwood and Hawkins are gone.

In saying that developing a system that one the players buy into and two is effective is more important than new players. On that I would agree.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yeah, we will have turn over. Lets keep it mainly to draft picks this year.

Heard Nathan Buckley say that they made it to the prelim with basically the same side as the last couple of years. He said as coach it has been a revelation to see them slowly meld together this past couple of seasons.

Huh!!!

What?!

Mr Superstar-from-somewhere-else didn't come along and save them?!?!?

Collingwood didn't change captains. They topped up moderately. And they have had a big core of players that has played together for some time.

Amazing. Doesn't make sense, does it?

Collingwood traded so hard it was eye watering.

 

[Partridge]

Track record suggests he is about due for a change.

He needs to go to a club with more than 4 good players for starters.

 

[catman2006]

The club has committed to topping up when needed, very hard for the club to turn around and say to Danger, Selwood, Duncan, Tuohy, Henderson that we are going to just draft young players and you wont play in GF anymore.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Collingwood

Pendlebury, Sidebottom Grundy, DeGoey, Goldsack, Stephenson, Phillips, Cox, Mihocek, Thomas, Maynard, Langdon, Sier

That are home grown so to speak

Treloar ( Trade Gws )
Adam's ( Trade Gws )
Howe ( Melbourne )
Aish ( Brisbane )
Crisp ( Brisbane )
Mayne ( Fremantle )
Hosking E ( GWS )
Greenwood ( North )
Varcoe ( Geelong)

It's a real mix and match you can throw wells into the list. What they have done really well is get a superstar out of the draft Grundy and picked up treloar and Adam's quite young. Throw DeGoey and Stepehenson, Phillips in as potential stars it gives them a core for the future.

Jamie Elliot, Darcy Moore, scharenberg, Ben Reid, Fasolo all guys who if available may have played.

Think it shows that they have missed the 8 multiple seasons and Derek Hine has shown a track record of being able to draft with pieces.

When it relates to geelong we have recruited differently and preferenced experienced heads and bodies over youth. And it probably shows up in the bottom half of your list. The fluctuations of 16th the 22nd player. And how injuries to not even key players but depth players can turn geelongs 22 into a bottom of the 8 outfit.

The worry for me is you say cohesion the side that played in the final is very experienced and has played multiple seasons together. Your always going to have a few new faces just the reality of attempted improvement.

Bews Hendo Kolo
Tuohy Taylor Stewart
Blicavs Selwood Selwood
Menegola Ablett Kelly
Parfitt Hawkins Henry

Abbott Danger Duncan

Menzel, Murdoch, Guthrie, MOC

Westcoast, Melbourne, Collingwood have changed the lineups this season considerably more than geelong in terms of finals make ups.

I think this group needs to be changed not stuck with cohesion or experience really isnt an issue on paper Talent is a problem with age.

Need to draft develop and then extremely vigilant in the age profile they target with free agents. I had this problem two seasons ago with the age profiles being brought in it needs to change going forward.

He has been an outstanding mature age recruit - a bit like Rooke from Casterton

Theres free hidden gold out their - you just have to find it

 

[Ray Donovan]

He has been an outstanding mature age recruit - a bit like Rooke from Casterton

Theres free hidden gold out their - you just have to find it

Oh definately agree I was watching him at port Melbourne for a season played mainly in defence lol

Shows how well they have done with this mis-fit forward line.

The Big American Cox
The VFL key defender Mihocek

The suspension boys Thomas and I broke my hand playing frisbee on chapel street with my dog Dagoey

Stephenson has been incredible though rookie of the season well deserved so strange how he massages the ball like he is making a pizza before he kicks effective though and he is confident

 

[Ray Donovan]

The club has committed to topping up when needed, very hard for the club to turn around and say to Danger, Selwood, Duncan, Tuohy, Henderson that we are going to just draft young players and you wont play in GF anymore.

Might be stretching saying that to Tuohy and Hendo. Considering they were the top ups haha along with danger.

Joel, Hawk, Gazza, Taylor, Duncan all have flags anyway some multiple or triple.

You have to realise the window is nearly closed and Geelong has to look after its future it's a business. These incredible servants are getting old they can just lift the team anymore. Happens at every single club father time it will soon be the end of the era once selwood and Hawkins finish up basically the end of the golden generation.

They have had the last 3 seasons topping up and fallen short that's the truth. The had a fair crack at it traded picks for players. Brought guys in paid overs for some now the age bracket means your probably not going to be able to compete at the top end anymore.

Surely it's been a while and our recent record doesn't scream finals success is around the corner.

Topping up from 8th is a hell of a lot different than topping up from top 4 when joel and hawk were under 30. Taylor, Mackie, lonergan and co were still just around. Things have changed considerably now

 

[Footy Smarts]

With Selwood, Hawkins, Taylor, etc and then Dangerfield falling in our laps topping up has definitely been the way to go. Also with talented young players not coming on (mainly because of injury) we really had no choice but to top up. It was right not to really top up hard last year with only Ablett coming in. Same this year I wouldn't be giving up picks unless they're fairly young players. The nucleus of the side is good enough if we get some development and everyone plays their roles. Hopefully we can also build for 3-4 years from now with the 2016 draft class really stepping up (Parfitt, Henry, Narkle and O'Connor can all be guns while Stewart already is).

 

[Ray Donovan]

With Selwood, Hawkins, Taylor, etc and then Dangerfield falling in our laps topping up has definitely been the way to go. Also with talented young players not coming on (mainly because of injury) we really had no choice but to top up. It was right not to really top up hard last year with only Ablett coming in. Same this year I wouldn't be giving up picks unless they're fairly young players. The nucleus of the side is good enough if we get some development and everyone plays their roles. Hopefully we can also build for 3-4 years from now with the 2016 draft class really stepping up (Parfitt, Henry, Narkle and O'Connor can all be guns while Stewart already is).

You won't know for another two years then you can assess the work that was done. You always have a choice there is a reason most sides try to avoid it on the way to a premiership.

But geelong has gone through one of the greatest periods of success in history. And it's still recent so the pressure just wasn't there to win a flag. They took some chances now we will wait for the results that's the thing with topping up you don't get to see the results until down the track. The way the contracts are structured bringing in mature veteran players stunts junior development because they take game time.

 

[Two Planks]

We dont need new players, we need a new game plan in 2019 and if that fails, we need a new coaching panel for 2020.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Yes we do is the short response.
Why
We are pedestrian in terms of today's footy,slow down back, slow in the midfield, slow up forward and slow to spreed,we have one ruck who could easily revert to s**t,and one forward thank God for Tom,we tackle poorly,kick poorly,hand ball our team mates into trouble and generally make poor decisions on and off the field in short we are further off the pace than a top 8 finish this year indicates, the top 4 are in another post code.Hard decisions need to be made.We are closer to our last premiership than our next right now and the challenge is to reverse that trend.
Can't wait for the clubs analysis.We know what the problems are and we will address them over the off season,for obvious reasons we don't want to discuss them in public.Book mark this as their responce.

But for years our recruiters have been touted as at least among the best in the AFL. Either they are among the worst, or there is something else going on.

 

[THE CAT WRANGLER]

I think one are where we are lacking is the the ruthless edge , Melbourne seem to have it we had it in the 07-11 era now we are too vanilla.
They are young and brash and wanting to move the ball at speed and play with a brazen edge.
The rules make it hard to have enforcers now but throughout this era we had multiple players across all lines who hated to loose a contest as well were very tough and hated to loose.

Milburn
Rooke
Scarlett
Chapman
Bartel
Mooney
Johnson​

• Now i believe we have a group of players like Danger who gets knocked over and lays on the ground whilst his opponent streams away
• Also evident is our loses to minnow teams didn't happen in the golden era very often
• Selfish football -now a team of individuals
• Our non protection of players like Joel who continually gets tagged no teammates flying the flag
• Team first football - the little knock on's, shepherds& two way running
• Has Scott coached this out of the players or is it not in our current players make up ?
• Are we just not hungry enough after so many finals appearances ?
• Does the current game style not help this by playing a rolling zone and limited man on man?
• We have become the hunted
• I think the niceness of some of players such as Duncan,Menegola,Murdoch,Guthrie etc was exposed in final.

Solution

• Draft new breed in with traits of competivness - Clayton Oliver,Jay Viney,Van Den Berg ,Tom Mcdonald,Nathan Jones all have this !
• Change game plan to more one on one - less defensive mindset
• Youth - Increase leg speed, enthusiasm and tackle count
• Cultural - Do we need to get leading teams back in for some self analysis ?
• Leadership - need to develop additional leaders as Joel slows down
• Trade out nice players - Guthrie,Menzle,GHS
• Starting pre season earlier should allow coaches to tinker with game plan more
• Draft - 2 way running players
• Planning is essential for 2020 with Taylor,Ablett ,Scott Selwood and Henderson near the end.
• Positive is the competiveness of Stewart,J.Selwood,Parfitt,Narkle,
• Ruckman - Stanley improved dramatically but we desperately need support don't need another athlete !
• Play - Constable
• Speed - I think we have something to work on with O'Connor,Narkle
• No games to Parson,Zuthrie,

 

[RegHickeyStand]

• "Has Scott coached this out of the players or is it not in our current players make up ?"

A lot of what you say is coaching. Not player makeup.

And we shouldn't be getting in players that wear it.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Yeah, we will have turn over. Lets keep it mainly to draft picks this year.

Heard Nathan Buckley say that they made it to the prelim with basically the same side as the last couple of years. He said as coach it has been a revelation to see them slowly meld together this past couple of seasons.

Huh!!!

What?!

Mr Superstar-from-somewhere-else didn't come along and save them?!?!?

Collingwood didn't change captains. They topped up moderately. And they have had a big core of players that has played together for some time.

Amazing. Doesn't make sense, does it?

Adams, Trelor, Hoskin Elliot, Howe, Varcoe, Dunn, Aish
That is quarter of a side, a bit more than a moderate top up

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Adams, Trelor, Hoskin Elliot, Howe, Varcoe, Dunn, Aish
That is quarter of a side, a bit more than a moderate top up

Once again, the topic is settling the team, not where the players were from. I am talking about not trying to solve flaws in the team with the latest star import. Lets let the team meld together.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Article shows how the Pies didn't really let a list settle they kept adding to it, cutting deadwood where needed and adding pieces as required

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...n/news-story/294d2fab625c97175cb5f0947a2ee64f

 

[JackFlash]

Geelong have huge discrepancies between the good and bad...the balance isn't right and too big a gap with our bottom six being way off the mark. The holy trinity picked up 100 possessions in the final against Melbourne, but we couldn't capitalise on it due lack of ability from the "help" ...Teams that are doing well in September are far more balanced and working as a team. (Pies, Dees and of course Tigers.) Cats must seek out everyone they can in order to boltster the list! At the same time, it would be great if they can snare another top 20 pick from somewhere?

 

[The Governor]

We don't need a major revamp of our playing list in 2019. We just need the following:

Move on 3 long term assistants to bring in new ideas and new voices into the footy department. If Damian Hardwick and Nathan Buckley benefitted from an assistant coaching cleanout, I can guarantee that Chris Scott will benefit from an assistant coaching cleanout. New ideas, robust debates during match committee meetings and the head coach will be pushed out of his comfort zone.

We need to make a play for a key marking forward. With 6-6-6 starting positions happening next year, the key marking forward could come back into play. There is no harm in the club asking about Paddy McCartin and Jonathon Patton. The worse thing is the clubs can say no.

With Mark Choco Williams accepting the senior role at Werribee, time is running out for the Cats to take their heads out of the sand.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I'm always amazed that people blame our bottom 6 when time and again this year it was our midfield getting smashed when we played poorly. Apart from Abbott I don't see how any of our lesser lights were responsible for us losing centre clearance after centre clearance against Melbourne.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

Collingwood have done f--king nothing yet.Cool the jets peeps.

I’d be pretty happy playing in a Prelim this week

 

[Strange Cat]

Collingwood have done f--king nothing yet.Cool the jets peeps.

Done more than us which is the sad reality

 

[sauron256]

Collingwood has 11 players on its list from other AFL clubs; before this week Geelong had 9 (including Ablett), and now has 7.

Bucks also said a few weeks ago that he had met with Tom Lynch about a move to the Pies, and they've also been linked with Steven May and others, so they're obviously still keen to trade in players where they can. Odd example by OP.

 

[Strange Cat]

The club has committed to topping up when needed, very hard for the club to turn around and say to Danger, Selwood, Duncan, Tuohy, Henderson that we are going to just draft young players and you wont play in GF anymore.

Not that hard really when we have put the faith in the leadership group to not keep ******* up after the byes and in the finals.

Is it about the individuals or is it about the team with this club?

* it they had their chances and they blew it

I’d rather be team focused and develop the side than stuck with a bunch of leaders that haven’t done * all these last few finals.

 

[Seeds]

Yeah, we will have turn over. Lets keep it mainly to draft picks this year.

Heard Nathan Buckley say that they made it to the prelim with basically the same side as the last couple of years. He said as coach it has been a revelation to see them slowly meld together this past couple of seasons.

Huh!!!

What?!

Mr Superstar-from-somewhere-else didn't come along and save them?!?!?

Collingwood didn't change captains. They topped up moderately. And they have had a big core of players that has played together for some time.

Amazing. Doesn't make sense, does it?

Collingwood has just made a prelim. We made a prelim in both the previous two years. Not sure why we should copy collingwood.

 

[Nickoo]

The club has committed to topping up when needed, very hard for the club to turn around and say to Danger, Selwood, Duncan, Tuohy, Henderson that we are going to just draft young players and you wont play in GF anymore.

We did it once before


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