Analysis We have a problem. Duncan

[Pavlovs Cat]

A spell wouldn't hurt surely.

 

[Bobby_]

Wouldn't mind a few more "also rans" like him, suspect if he was wearing different colours you'd view him more favorably though.

He's certainly no A grader. That's for sure.
He's a good honest footballer right now. Someone capable of playing a blinder but not really a player you can count on in a do or die final.

If he was wearing different colours my views on his game would be no different at all. I only give genuine and honest opinions.

 

[Cattery]

He's certainly no A grader. That's for sure.
He's a good honest footballer right now. Someone capable of playing a blinder but not really a player you can count on in a do or die final.

If he was wearing different colours my views on his game would be no different at all. I only give genuine and honest opinions.

Didn't say otherwise, just seems that all your opinions lately about the club, Coach, players, game plan and anything else to do with the Cats is negative in the extreme.
And there's a big gap between A grader and also ran.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Just watched the replay and apart from one shot at goal that you'd normally expect him to nail (wasn't a gimme though) his kicking seemed fine, and as for looking for the handball at every opportunity I though he used the pill by hand whenever it was the best option.

Rather strange thread actually.



Wouldn't mind a few more "also rans" like him, suspect if he was wearing different colours you'd view him more favorably though.

I don't think it's a strange thread. I think some are missing the point of it a bit.
It's about if he's carrying an injury or not. I think he is just because the distance of his kicks is well down. I don't think he's playing badly though.

 

[Willo_]

I don't think it's a strange thread. I think some are missing the point of it a bit.
It's about if he's carrying an injury or not. I think he is just because the distance of his kicks is well down. I don't think he's playing badly though.

This is my take on it as well
I think he is still finding the ball, he is still hitting targets.. but IMO his kicks don't have the same penetration that we have previously seen, or he doesn't seem as damaging by foot to me anyway

 

[Seeds]

Technically correct.

He was averaging a fraction under 20 touches a game before getting collected in that tackle by Mumford. He's been averaging 25 possessions a game since. Also averaging more tackles this year than ever before as well. Wish every player was as down as he apparently is.

Is that 20 touch average based on his career prior to the Mumford hit including all his early years or is it based on the one solitary game before the Mumford hit? Either way it's a poor comparison.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

So the coaching staff are playing a bunch of easy beats and will be playing finals, possibly even get a double chance but they are risking the health of one of their best outside runners for the sake of it?
No thanks.

Duncan is just an also-ran and nothing more. He was touted as being the next big thing at the Cattery as late as last year but we are witnessing what he truly is and unfortunately, it's the same people who look for excuses to explain his somewhat unconvincing career trajectory.

I counted 4 dropped marks (all relatively easy) til half time, then went out of my way to avoid looking at him for the rest of the game.
I also counted 3-4 times where Bird just ran off him at the clearances because he refused to put any body contact on him.
Gets a lot of the ball, but doesn't get a lot of his own ball...

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Duncan wasn't the only one doing dinky little kicks. The reason: Nearly 18 Essendon players in an around our forward line. For most of the game.

 

[Mahlepi]

Partridge, stop using facts to disprove bald assertions.

mitch brown had record high marks
woopee

stats mean jack

 

[vinum coupe]

This is my take on it as well
I think he is still finding the ball, he is still hitting targets.. but IMO his kicks don't have the same penetration that we have previously seen, or he doesn't seem as damaging by foot to me anyway

I'm not sure who knocked me for suggesting Duncan was a gun kick 2 years ago.

May have been seeds. But I reckon I said I'd let him kick for my life on the run.
No way in hell is that happening right now.

 

[Partridge]

Is that 20 touch average based on his career prior to the Mumford hit including all his early years or is it based on the one solitary game before the Mumford hit? Either way it's a poor comparison.

Based on his entire career. I don't cherry pick the figures. This year he's had the best numbers in his career so far.

 

[Partridge]

mitch brown had record high marks
woopee

stats mean jack

You made the statement that Duncan wasn't the same. In reality he's been just fine with better output than ever.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

mitch brown had record high marks
woopee

stats mean jack

It's kind of starting to irk me the perceptions that supercoach and that other friggen game are fostering amongst the footy public. Stats are the entire measure of a footballer these days. Bullshit. A player who scores 150 from dinky one-two backwards kicks and handballs is not a gun. I wouldn't mind if these stat-driven folk just kept it to convos about supercoach, but its creeping in everywhere now.

F*ck stats.

 

[Mahlepi]

You made the statement that Duncan wasn't the same. In reality he's been just fine with better output than ever.

as measured by stats, yet many are wanting him dropped and believe his output is down
he is not kicking clutch goals like he did in the past, his general kicking lacks penetration
and his presence is not like it was

 

[Partridge]

It's kind of starting to irk me the perceptions that supercoach and that other friggen game are fostering amongst the footy public. Stats are the entire measure of a footballer these days. Bullshit. A player who scores 150 from dinky one-two backwards kicks and handballs is not a gun. I wouldn't mind if these stat-driven folk just kept it to convos about supercoach, but its creeping in everywhere now.

To be honest I thought it was worse a few years ago.

 

[Footy Smarts]

He's been fine this year. He hasn't hit the highs of last year but he's also been far from terrible. It'd be nice if he really found some form coming toward the end of the season but at the very least I expect him to contribute well in finals.

 

[00VicWard001]

11,000 likes suggests otherwise

BlightysCats and other Hawks supporters don't count.

 

[00VicWard001]

Technically correct.

He was averaging a fraction under 20 touches a game before getting collected in that tackle by Mumford. He's been averaging 25 possessions a game since. Also averaging more tackles this year than ever before as well. Wish every player was as down as he apparently is.

Quick let's get Mummy down to training to bring all our players 'down'.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

11,000 likes suggests otherwise

Bobby, this is about the first time I've actually seen you happy here. Keep up the good work.

 

[Baudolino]

Comparing his average metres gained per game this year against how he did in previous years in that statistic would probably be a good measure of whether he's been choosing shorter options more often.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Comparing his average metres gained per game this year against how he did in previous years in that statistic would probably be a good measure of whether he's been choosing shorter options more often.

 

[catempire]

To be honest I thought it was worse a few years ago.

Definitely. The quality of discussion using stats in 2016 is better than ever. Not perfect, but certainly better.

 

[thegerman]

Based on his entire career. I don't cherry pick the figures. This year he's had the best numbers in his career so far.

That maybe true, I think the concern of a few is his effectiveness in what he does with those disposals, perhaps also where is he getting them.

Before that article showing how he's one of the best in efficiency, I actually thought he'd dropped off that. Errors started to creep in and his goal kicking, whilst previously sublime, has deteriorated where I wouldn't mark it in so easily.

So I guess some heat maps of his career vs this year, before and after mummy, then perhaps some efficiency tables of years gone by and the last 12 rounds.

That should dispel the assumptions, where some aren't convinced of his play.

Now who can put these together

 

[Burro]

If you don't like Duncan's kicking I'd hate to think what your thoughts are on Cockatoos disposal.

Cocky should play on every time......

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Definitely. The quality of discussion using stats in 2016 is better than ever. Not perfect, but certainly better.

I'm down on Logical Conclusions Gained from 2015. I pulled a frontal lobe early in the season and I've been playing catchup ever since.