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I think anyone believing your post is beyond optimistic, your throwing darts everywhere..
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WE MUST TRADE DARCY
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Sean Darcy looks fitter than he ever has before, and he hasn't had a preseason. Can we please see what Darcy looks like after a preseason before we sell someone Max Gawn for Callum Sinclair prices.
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Bone on bone in the knee isn't as unusual in players as you might think.
I was chatting to Heath Shaw about it a fortnight ago, and he mentioned Mumford and numerous other players he knew played with no meniscus in their knee. If you ice regularly, you can get a few more years out a career in terms of body management.
Michael O'loughlin was another player who played with no meniscus for about 3 years with the aid of regular ice baths and icebergs swimming to relieve inflammation.
Re: Darcy's injury and his contract, there are numerous sources available....you don't have to resort to chat gpt
"From reports, Darcy’s knee injury is so bad that it is bone on bone, which isn’t a great sign for a player who has signed a six-year contract extension this year until the end of 2030."
"This new agreement jumps Darcy into just under $1 million a season through to the end of 2030. That’s a healthy increase from around $720,000 he was apparently on this year."
thewest.com.au
thewest.com.au
If you look at premiership sides over the last decade albatross contracts on big one legged ruckmen isnt where their salary cap generally went.
Oscar McInerney, Darcy Cameron, Mark Blikavs, Toby Nankervis, Scott Lycett, Jordan Roughead, Bern Mcevoy, Max Gawn.
Money was being priortised in a lot of other areas over the ruckmen in the majority of those sides.
I was chatting to Heath Shaw about it a fortnight ago, and he mentioned Mumford and numerous other players he knew played with no meniscus in their knee. If you ice regularly, you can get a few more years out a career in terms of body management.
Michael O'loughlin was another player who played with no meniscus for about 3 years with the aid of regular ice baths and icebergs swimming to relieve inflammation.
Re: Darcy's injury and his contract, there are numerous sources available....you don't have to resort to chat gpt
"From reports, Darcy’s knee injury is so bad that it is bone on bone, which isn’t a great sign for a player who has signed a six-year contract extension this year until the end of 2030."
"This new agreement jumps Darcy into just under $1 million a season through to the end of 2030. That’s a healthy increase from around $720,000 he was apparently on this year."
Motormouth Mitch: Darcy should peek at Meek for motivation
Mitchell Woodcock takes on the big issues of the weekend, including what Sean Darcy can learn from his former protege Lloyd Meek and whether Ken Hinkley’s latest antics affect how West Coast view him.
thewest.com.au
Sumich: Freo take unnecessary gamble on ‘back-up’ Darcy
Fremantle have taken a significantly unnecessary risk in signing big ruckman Sean Darcy to a seven-year multi-million-dollar contract, writes Peter Sumich.
thewest.com.au
If you look at premiership sides over the last decade albatross contracts on big one legged ruckmen isnt where their salary cap generally went.
Oscar McInerney, Darcy Cameron, Mark Blikavs, Toby Nankervis, Scott Lycett, Jordan Roughead, Bern Mcevoy, Max Gawn.
Money was being priortised in a lot of other areas over the ruckmen in the majority of those sides.
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I'm not weighing into whether your argument is right, wrong or indifferent, but listing your sources as Woodcock and Sumich aint helping your case.Bone on bone in the knee isn't as unusual in players as you might think.
I was chatting to Heath Shaw about it a fortnight ago, and he mentioned Mumford and numerous other players he knew played with no meniscus in their knee. If you ice regularly, you can get a few more years out a career in terms of body management.
Michael O'loughlin was another player who played with no meniscus for about 3 years with the aid of regular ice baths and icebergs swimming to relieve inflammation.
Re: Darcy's injury and his contract, there are numerous sources available....you don't have to resort to chat gpt
"From reports, Darcy’s knee injury is so bad that it is bone on bone, which isn’t a great sign for a player who has signed a six-year contract extension this year until the end of 2030."
"This new agreement jumps Darcy into just under $1 million a season through to the end of 2030. That’s a healthy increase from around $720,000 he was apparently on this year."
Motormouth Mitch: Darcy should peek at Meek for motivation
Mitchell Woodcock takes on the big issues of the weekend, including what Sean Darcy can learn from his former protege Lloyd Meek and whether Ken Hinkley’s latest antics affect how West Coast view him.
Sumich: Freo take unnecessary gamble on ‘back-up’ Darcy
Fremantle have taken a significantly unnecessary risk in signing big ruckman Sean Darcy to a seven-year multi-million-dollar contract, writes Peter Sumich.
If you look at premiership sides over the last decade albatross contracts on big one legged ruckmen isnt where their salary cap generally went.
Oscar McInerney, Darcy Cameron, Mark Blikavs, Toby Nankervis, Scott Lycett, Jordan Roughead, Bern Mcevoy, Max Gawn.
Money was being priortised in a lot of other areas over the ruckmen in the majority of those sides.
look they obviously have their agenda, but at least its not people referring to chatgpt as their source. There are many other sources out there on his contract and knee (google it), and unless anyone has a better actual source, you're all just purely speculating.
Put it this way, if he was on 720k in his last contract year, and there was interest from Geelong, I doubt he took a paycut.
On top of that he was just sent to Doha by the club to come up with a knee management strategy, and was icing his knee in the third quarter after 38 percent of game time in his last match, with his head in his hands.
But sure guys, click your heels three time and wish yourself to Kansas, and imagine clubs will be lining up to take him off our hands at the seasons end.
And what makes you think he was on 720k on his last contract? Sumich is well known for talking out of his ass.
I know players only have value to clubs in the present, but sometimes we have to look back at what they have given in the past.
So many are slagging Darcy like he is a totally incometant footballer.He is far from that.
I remember seeing him as a newly recruited 19 year old. Tall, over weight maybe, but just 19 years of age.
I also remember we had a senior ruckman called Sandilands. And sadly during Darcys first year, Sandi went down for a major part of the season.
Who stepped in!!! None other than that 19 year old, tall over weight, underprepared kid. A raw as red meat rookie.
He took them all on. He had to. He earned the respect of the best ruckmen in the league.
Tough, hard to shift, very physical. just a few of the compliments.
A raw boned young kid taking on the power houses of the ruck divisions in every team.
Maybe time we started to give him the credit he deserves rather than talk about him like a sack of sheeit.
Toss him away at our own peril.
So many are slagging Darcy like he is a totally incometant footballer.He is far from that.
I remember seeing him as a newly recruited 19 year old. Tall, over weight maybe, but just 19 years of age.
I also remember we had a senior ruckman called Sandilands. And sadly during Darcys first year, Sandi went down for a major part of the season.
Who stepped in!!! None other than that 19 year old, tall over weight, underprepared kid. A raw as red meat rookie.
He took them all on. He had to. He earned the respect of the best ruckmen in the league.
Tough, hard to shift, very physical. just a few of the compliments.
A raw boned young kid taking on the power houses of the ruck divisions in every team.
Maybe time we started to give him the credit he deserves rather than talk about him like a sack of sheeit.
Toss him away at our own peril.
Give him a full preseason and see how he goes.
The issue we have is
1. You can only play 1 ruck
2. Darcy has virtually no trade value at the moment. He could get some back, if his form improves in the back end of the year.
Can you please quote any credible source that says Sean Darcy's knee is bone on bone? And by credible I mean probably not Peter Sumich puff pieces or bigfooty opinions.
Also, any credible sources that says Darcy is on 1 million a year.
i can post a whole bunch, they are all online, from numerous media sources accross the country. Google Darcy contract or darcy knee bone on bone. But whats the point if you just "fake news" them all?
How about this? Instead of putting your fingers in your ears and drinking the kool aid at the same time, and getting nice and high on your own Darcy supply, why don't you come up with a source which backs up your own argument?
Oh that's right, because there are none.
I have googled "Darcy bone on bone knee" and come up with no credible sources - apart from maybe someone's opinion on Reddit.
My argument is that there is no credible sources saying Darcy's knee is bone on bone. I can back that up by letting you know that I have not yet found any credible sources to tell me that Darcy's knee is bone on bone. But I'm not sure why I have to back up an argument, I'm not the one making the claim.
Further to this, I googled the consequences of bone on bone in the knee. I've seen Swaggy move and, slow as he has been, his range of motion certainly hasn't affected him climbing stairs or getting up from a chair. And I saw him walking all over the field during the few matches he played. 
Mate, it's well documented his knee is bone on bone. By well documented I mean a few nuffies on BigFooty and Facebook said it so it has to be legit, right?
And the $1,000,000 a year...
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How good is opinion dressed up as fact? The cornerstone of Big Footy.
There are very few people bagging out Sean Darcy or giving him abuse. The handful that are - are obviously idiots. Everyone agrees on that.
What is best for the club is what has to take precedence though. In this case, we have a scenario where the team is best served by only playing one of those two players in the same team. That’s based on the evidence of 2.5 seasons now.
I think we all hoped that wouldn’t be the case but it’s the absolute definition of a sunk cost fallacy to persist with something that is clearly and evidently not working. And not the best thing for the team.
It’s becoming obvious to me that one of these two players will be traded at the end of the year.
Adding further complexity is the fact that Darcy cannot get his body right for about 3 years now. That sucks for him but availability is a key part when evaluating the value of a professional sportsman, especially in a salary capped league.
Throw in the specialist nature of the position he plays and it’s not good. Are we going to build the next 3 years around a player like that and cross our fingers he plays >20 games a season?
The right thing to do for the club is to keep Jackson and trade Darcy. Persist with Voss as the chop out ruck for LJ.
Trade Darcy and wish him the best.
Everyone get so emotionally attached to players and coaches when it’s your own club.
If this situation was happening at Essendon or St Kilda, for example and we were all here watching in from the outside and commenting on it over in our non-freo discussion thread (with no emotional influence) it would not even be a debate. We would nearly all be laughing at their stubbornness to keep trying something that clearly isn’t working.
What is best for the club is what has to take precedence though. In this case, we have a scenario where the team is best served by only playing one of those two players in the same team. That’s based on the evidence of 2.5 seasons now.
I think we all hoped that wouldn’t be the case but it’s the absolute definition of a sunk cost fallacy to persist with something that is clearly and evidently not working. And not the best thing for the team.
It’s becoming obvious to me that one of these two players will be traded at the end of the year.
Adding further complexity is the fact that Darcy cannot get his body right for about 3 years now. That sucks for him but availability is a key part when evaluating the value of a professional sportsman, especially in a salary capped league.
Throw in the specialist nature of the position he plays and it’s not good. Are we going to build the next 3 years around a player like that and cross our fingers he plays >20 games a season?
The right thing to do for the club is to keep Jackson and trade Darcy. Persist with Voss as the chop out ruck for LJ.
Trade Darcy and wish him the best.
Everyone get so emotionally attached to players and coaches when it’s your own club.
If this situation was happening at Essendon or St Kilda, for example and we were all here watching in from the outside and commenting on it over in our non-freo discussion thread (with no emotional influence) it would not even be a debate. We would nearly all be laughing at their stubbornness to keep trying something that clearly isn’t working.
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Aside from having known Vic nuffy Ralph of all people saying 700kish at the moment, I just dont see how the club is anywhere close to being able to go after Kozzie or Warner while paying Sean Darcy $1m bucks.
Also, I think your timing is off a bit, Darcy had played just the 15 games in 2023 when he signed the extension and had actually gone backwards since his last contract. For the 6 year extension and added security, I can absolutely believe he didnt get a raise
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There is no way Darcy is on $1mill.
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You would be correct.
I’m definitely of the opinion the club needs to start exploring options of moving Darcy on. Grundy trade and what the Suns have done show moving bad contracts at a loss can be a positive.
Saying that the first challenge set to him was lose weight and he’s done that.
Next challenge is to get match fit. That isn’t about waiting until preseason, it’s get up to scratch over the next 4-6 weeks.
If Darcy can produce near his best over the last 6-8 weeks of the season then we are a serious finals threat.
Saying that the first challenge set to him was lose weight and he’s done that.
Next challenge is to get match fit. That isn’t about waiting until preseason, it’s get up to scratch over the next 4-6 weeks.
If Darcy can produce near his best over the last 6-8 weeks of the season then we are a serious finals threat.
Buckley is correct.
It’s not JL’s to fix up a freo list management **** up.
It’s simply his job to put the best team on the park each week. Let’s be honest - longmuirs job is tough enough right now as it is. He doesn’t need to make it even tougher for himself.
Don’t double down on a mistake you didn’t know you were making at the time (signing 2 rucks on long term high pay), by progressing with a second mistake you actively know you are making (forcing both of them into the team even when there’s a better and cheaper alternative option).
It’s not JL’s to fix up a freo list management **** up.
It’s simply his job to put the best team on the park each week. Let’s be honest - longmuirs job is tough enough right now as it is. He doesn’t need to make it even tougher for himself.
Don’t double down on a mistake you didn’t know you were making at the time (signing 2 rucks on long term high pay), by progressing with a second mistake you actively know you are making (forcing both of them into the team even when there’s a better and cheaper alternative option).
I just want to make sure we are all still on the same page.
When Darcy is fit and tearing it up in the WAFL and Dogga is still performing to his usual standard, are we happy to try and get them playing in the same squad at the same time?
When Darcy is fit and tearing it up in the WAFL and Dogga is still performing to his usual standard, are we happy to try and get them playing in the same squad at the same time?
