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Big Blow Hard said:
How the hell do you know this? You can't even say for sure if he will ever get onto the field. It would be irresponsible and stupid not to try and recruit a back up KPP in case Gumby never gets fit. What have we really seen of Gumby? He has played a handful of games and showed patches, but to bank the clubs fate on building around him is frought with danger. As I have said before, at this stage of his career, he is just another Courtney Johns, ie. Potential, Potential, Potential. We need to take into account that he may never play AFL football. I think we actually need to consider any offers (particularly first round) that are put forward, if not this year, definitely next. Another year or two of constant injury, and he s finished as a player.
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Yes fair point. I see where you are coming from. Gumbleton needs to play before we can judge him, but we are allowed to hope now.... aren't we.
 
bombersno1 said:
I suggest you have a look at Nick Riewolt, especially early on. He had just as many injuries as Gumbleton. KPP's get injuries early on, that is due to them growing, Gumby has grown 3 cm since we drafted him. I'd be betting he dominates for a decade, and we will not enter any trade period for Gumbleton!
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Look at Ryan Fitzgerald. Sometimes players just don't get better. Injuries have ruined many a career. All I am saying is we need a backup plan. DOn't put all our eggs in the one CHF basket.
 
Spikey said:
I would rather five B grade midfielders. One class midfielder can't make a midfield. Five pretty good ones can though
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Carlton's record of 3 and 4 to me suggests otherwise. Judd is A grade, Stevens is borderline and the others are B grade at best, Murphy will be A grade but isn't yet.
 

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The Donners said:
Carlton's record of 3 and 4 to me suggests otherwise. Judd is A grade, Stevens is borderline and the others are B grade at best, Murphy will be A grade but isn't yet.
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Carlton have beaten a wooden spoon Melbourne team and a injury ravaged West Coast.

Any other teams and they would be sitting 1-6 with a good win against an under performing Collingwood.

You need to think a bit more and re-read everything you post a few times because you can't seem to get anything right.
 
kelvin_sheedy said:
Carlton have beaten a wooden spoon Melbourne team and a injury ravaged West Coast.

Any other teams and they would be sitting 1-6 with a good win against an under performing Collingwood.

You need to think a bit more and re-read everything you post a few times because you can't seem to get anything right.
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WCE had 6 B grade midfielders (Steinglein, Embley, Fletcher, Armstrong, Masten and Rosa) and they still lost. Melbourne had 6 B grade midfielders (Green, McLean, Sylvia, Bruce, Jones and Moloney) and they still lost.

Would Carlton have beaten those sides without Judd last season?
I think not. Therefore I would suggest that 1 A grade midfielder makes the difference to a midfield.

I was responding to another post. You should try and make an interesting comment without targeting my posts.
 
I probably will get harshly criticised with this comment, though if we miss the finals, which is almost a given, I want us to finish 2nd last...That way we won't be getting called wooden spooners and we get the A grade midfielder we have been lacking, Daniel Rich...
 
The Donners said:
WCE had 6 B grade midfielders (Steinglein, Embley, Fletcher, Armstrong, Masten and Rosa) and they still lost. Melbourne had 6 B grade midfielders (Green, McLean, Sylvia, Bruce, Jones and Moloney) and they still lost.

Would Carlton have beaten those sides without Judd last season?
I think not. Therefore I would suggest that 1 A grade midfielder makes the difference to a midfield.

I was responding to another post. You should try and make an interesting comment without targeting my posts.
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Embley - out of form C grade at the moment
Fletcher- as above
Armstrong - D grade
Masten - young C grade at moment
Rosa - C grade

Stenglein is B grade

For Melbourne Sylvia is C grade
but the forward line and backline are a worry
 
The Donners said:
WCE had 6 B grade midfielders (Steinglein, Embley, Fletcher, Armstrong, Masten and Rosa) and they still lost. Melbourne had 6 B grade midfielders (Green, McLean, Sylvia, Bruce, Jones and Moloney) and they still lost.

Would Carlton have beaten those sides without Judd last season?
I think not. Therefore I would suggest that 1 A grade midfielder makes the difference to a midfield.

I was responding to another post. You should try and make an interesting comment without targeting my posts.
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6 B grade :confused: Stenglein and Embley yes, Rosa is D grade and wouldn't get a game with us... ditto Armstrong, Fletcher is no good anymore and Masten is a good young kid coming up.

I thought I made a worthwhile comment. Carlton didn't have Judd last year and we couldn't beat them. They have Judd now and we don't have Hird yet we won. Doesn't that counter everything you've just said.
 
kelvin_sheedy said:
6 B grade :confused: Stenglein and Embley yes, Rosa is D grade and wouldn't get a game with us... ditto Armstrong, Fletcher is no good anymore and Masten is a good young kid coming up.

I thought I made a worthwhile comment. Carlton didn't have Judd last year and we couldn't beat them. They have Judd now and we don't have Hird yet we won. Doesn't that counter everything you've just said.
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Rosa would clearly get a game with us, you're overrating us. Fletcher is still B grade. Essendon would still be better off with Fletcher and Rosa.

You are isolating 1 team, us, against Carlton last season. How many games did they win for the season? How many have they won so far this season. They've won 1 less game after 7 rounds than they did for the entire '07 season. I would've thought that counters everything you've just said.
 

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The Donners said:
Rosa would clearly get a game with us, you're overrating us. Fletcher is still B grade. Essendon would still be better off with Fletcher and Rosa.

You are isolating 1 team, us, against Carlton last season. How many games did they win for the season? How many have they won so far this season. They've won 1 less game after 7 rounds than they did for the entire '07 season. I would've thought that counters everything you've just said.
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Which of these players would Rosa get a game ahead of - McVeigh, Watson, Stanton, Winderlich, Lovett, Houli, Lonergan, Dempsey, Davey, Dyson

 
GreaT SourcE said:
I probably will get harshly criticised with this comment, though if we miss the finals, which is almost a given, I want us to finish 2nd last...That way we won't be getting called wooden spooners and we get the A grade midfielder we have been lacking, Daniel Rich...
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Dead agreed, hope we get Rich:thumbsu:
 
kelvin_sheedy said:
Which of these players would Rosa get a game ahead of - McVeigh, Watson, Stanton, Winderlich, Lovett, Houli, Lonergan, Dempsey, Davey, Dyson
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Winderlich: 1 half decent season in 7 seasons. You enjoy stats so if you look at Winder's and Rosa's you can't split them in '08.
Lovett: Superbly talented, plays 1 good game out of 4.
Lonergan: Played 2 half decent games in 3 seasons.
Dyson: Enough said.

You also failed to mention Slattery.

There's 5 players that Rosa could get a game over. I'm waiting for you to talk up Lovett and Winderlich. Lovett's never strung more than 3 decent games together and Winders is average at best.
 
The Donners said:
Winderlich: 1 half decent season in 7 seasons. You enjoy stats so if you look at Winder's and Rosa's you can't split them in '08.
Lovett: Superbly talented, plays 1 good game out of 4.
Lonergan: Played 2 half decent games in 3 seasons.
Dyson: Enough said.

You also failed to mention Slattery.

There's 5 players that Rosa could get a game over. I'm waiting for you to talk up Lovett and Winderlich. Lovett's never strung more than 3 decent games together and Winders is average at best.
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Okay - now I know you don't watch much footy.
Rosa has been terrible this year as have most of West Coasts midfielders who are all struggling with Judd, Kerr, Cousins and Priddis all missing.

Easy to look good when you have some blue chippers in your side. Its when they go that you see their true quality and guys like him, Embley, Braun and Fletcher are all being shown up now.

There is no way on earth he is better than either Winderlich or Lovett. Please never, ever get near the Essendon recruiting department.

PS : If you think Stanton's disposal is bad, you will be having seizures watching Rosa go around.
 
Daytripper said:
PS : If you think Stanton's disposal is bad, you will be having seizures watching Rosa go around.
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Dead agreed, also Rosa is as soft as butter, so no thank you. Not the player we want at our club. Nicoski would a better option
 

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Lynch takes a mark said:
Because he has the kicking ability of Luke Hodge but is built and moves like a slightly taller Kerr.

He is playing senior footy for Subiaco, played the last 5 games of the seasons last year including the premiership and averaged about 15 disposals and 1.5 goals a game.

The equivalent of Joel Selwood playing for Geelong in 07 as a 16 year old

Stats for last year

missed about 8 weeks in the middle of the year due to U18's commitments

Code: 
level   k   h   m   i50   g   b
colts   25   9   6   9   4   3
colts   7   7   3   3      1
colts   17   6   5   3   5   1
colts   15   7   3   2   4   0
colts   16   2   4   5   2   0
colts   19   5   2   6   2   0
league   5   6   2   2   1   0
league   8   6   4   3   1   1
league   11   2   3   4   1   0
league   12   4   6   4   3   1
league   10   3   4   5   2   0
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No its not.

The WAFL isn't the equivalent of the AFL, it isn't even the equivalent of the VFL. :rolleyes:

I don't know what you're going on about there :confused:
 
Excuse my ignorance when it comes to the policies of the draft; but how does it work nowadays?

Is it teams with 5 wins or less in two years get priority picks? I'd hate to think Carlton will be in that bracket again, they didn't win too many games last year did they?

How about Melbourne and Richmond? Assuming we win a few more games this year (ones hoping), and so do Richmond, and Carlton (not too optimistic about Melbourne), would that leave us in a more favourabale position to get priority picks over those two providing their form is better than ours (which it is at the moment)?
 
bombersno1 said:
Dead agreed, also Rosa is as soft as butter, so no thank you. Not the player we want at our club. Nicoski would a better option
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Nico wouldn't do much for Essendon (who have enough pacy, outside flankers) and he's probably more outside than Rosa (who while still very outside has improved his inside work and is getting involved more in contests). Both aren't required.

From WC, Kerr would be the best fit (as someone that can win the footy and break a stoppage open), but if Essendon can get their hands on Rich then it's not worth it (as Rich can do most of what Kerr does + more - much higher quality kicking and kicks more goals).
 
The Donners said:
Yeah and Stanton's tough as nails :rolleyes:
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Idiotic. You're reasoning is because we have a soft player we should get more soft players. I don't think even you understand what you type. Let alone other people's comments.
 
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