We will NOT win another Premiership with softy Adam Simpson.

Will we win another premiership under Adam Simpson?

  • Yes

    Votes: 38 67.9%
  • No

    Votes: 18 32.1%

  • Total voters
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Doashuey

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Without reading through five pages of this thread, my view is Simpson is a great coach in terms of bringing together a group and galvanising a team, but I think he lacks in both an overall gameplan sense & also as a gameday coach. He's basically the opposite of Luke Beveridge who seems to run gameday like an NFL coach.

Overall though, Simpson has obviously been super successful and I'd continue to back him in post this year (+ this year was cooked), but i wouldn't mind us going after another experienced assistant coach for fresh eyes, but maybe not realistic with the decrease in soft cap. A dedicated tackling coach would be very handy, & it could probably be Yeo.
If we go a specific skills coach IE Tackling, then it would be wise to look at coaches from other sports like Rugby League. That game is built on tackling and you can see the blokes who grew up with it (eg. Charlie Cameron and Kieran Jack) and their ability to nail tackles. Melbourne Storm are a good example- they hired AFL coaches to teach them to kick and dominated with it (Billy Slater and Cooper Cronk were masters of putting a ball on a dime). They then hired JuJitsu coaches to teach them how to grapple and until many of their tactics were outlawed (crusher tackles, chicken wings etc) but they still had a couple of very successful seasons using those skills.
 

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The club has failed two years in a row when we are well and truly in a premiership window. Saying we made finals or made it to the second week of finals is something Fremantle would be happy with.
We should of made top 4 the last two years and we didn’t.
There is no excuses for it when you are deep in your window.
Simmo is the coach and the buck stops with him, just as getting the credit for winning in 2018 went to him.
Can he deliver another flag the OP asks and the answer is yes he can, but some changes need to be made. I hope he can make the adjustments in how he gets his players to perform weekly with no days off, and his game plan.
The issue as I see it and its just an opinion is that the coaches are unable to adapt and tailor a specific game plan that suits the team and conditions they face. Geelong for example completely changed their gameplan and style for the Collingwood game compared to the Port game, they played a more Richmond style of flood and surge contested football. They adapted and were flexable enough to pull it off which was a master stroke in coaching and execution.
Simmo et al appear to just dig in the heals and try to execute "their brand" without adapting to the circumstances. I think this is a blind spot and there have been a few on here which have highlighted the one dimensional nature of our game plan philosophy. The game is moving quickly and you have to adapt, the top 4 teams in the years race are head and shoulders above us even though we missed on %, thats pretty clear. We have the cattle to win another with this group but the coaches need to improve to make it happen.
 
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greatwhiteshark

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If we go a specific skills coach IE Tackling, then it would be wise to look at coaches from other sports like Rugby League. That game is built on tackling and you can see the blokes who grew up with it (eg. Charlie Cameron and Kieran Jack) and their ability to nail tackles. Melbourne Storm are a good example- they hired AFL coaches to teach them to kick and dominated with it (Billy Slater and Cooper Cronk were masters of putting a ball on a dime). They then hired JuJitsu coaches to teach them how to grapple and until many of their tactics were outlawed (crusher tackles, chicken wings etc) but they still had a couple of very successful seasons using those skills.
AFL clubs have been using rugby tackling coaches for decades. Tackling is about intent, you either want to tackle or you are adverse to it. Some players just are not into it and unfortunately we have some of them in our best 22.
 

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Astro7

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Faaaaaaark me i have just recovered from trying to forget the trade barrass and mcgovern suggestions. Then i see this garbage.
Time to go poor myself another drink
I mentioned trading Gov or Barrass on another thread, but was joking!
Was just shaking the bag up!
The top teams above us don't have a Gov or Barrass and they get by just fine, better than us in fact?
Anyway, pour/poor yourself another drink and enjoy!
 

Wild Kelly

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I mentioned in another thread but it should probably go here that Matt Barber our controversial strength and conditioning "guy" who added muscle and size to our early 90's players has passed. A lot of Vic eyebrows were raised when our new look team took to the field in 1991 after a pre season on the weights.
 

Doashuey

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AFL clubs have been using rugby tackling coaches for decades. Tackling is about intent, you either want to tackle or you are adverse to it. Some players just are not into it and unfortunately we have some of them in our best 22.
You wouldn't know it. I rarely see a rugby league tackling technique from AFL players unless they have a RL background.
 

FKASC

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You wouldn't know it. I rarely see a rugby league tackling technique from AFL players unless they have a RL background.
I feel like players are concerned about committing too much and taking themselves out of the equation for winning possession of the footy.

So unless they outnumber the opposition around the contest, players seem to go with half assed attempts to apply pressure rather than to incapacitate the bloke with the ball.

It doesn’t help that umpires are less likely to penalise for dropping the footy - if you commit and force a spillage but you are now out of the contest, there’s every chance the opposition has just dropped it at the feet of one of their teammates who can run off with it.

I wouldnt be surprised if the best tackling sides are the ones that swarm around the loose ball, so that their players are able to commit more fully to the tackle.

Either way i reckon it has to be about intent rather than strength or technique. There’s too much fluctuation to be explained by anything other than intent/conscious decisions
 

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The wily weagle

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Just curious, how does an angry Pete Carroll and his one Super Bowl in a decade at the Seahawks fit in with your theory that a coach needs to be a hardarse to build a “dynasty” and win multiple premierships?

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Its the passion, its palpable. The man stands for something, and he clearly has standards by which he holds his team too. If they are doing great, he tells them, and if they are doing poorly he really tells them. Not praising them that they are doing a great job, and then still telling them they are doing a fairly good job when they clearly are not.

But, you are correct: the man has won a single title...........for the moment. Seahawks looking good this year, and should they win, it will lend more credence to my "nice guy coaches" don't build dynastys school of thought.

I still very much stand by my statement. Plenty of nice guys coaches can win a title. Very few have won more then one title. And there is not a single nice guy coach in world sport who has built a dynasty by winning more then 2. They need that capacity to be a mongrel sometimes and deliver a stinging rebuke.

As it pertains to Simpson............well, my opinion is that he needs a harder edge
 

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Just curious, how does a fired up Pete Carroll and his one Super Bowl in a decade at the Seahawks fit in with your theory that a coach needs to be a hardarse to build a “dynasty” and win multiple premierships?

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Pete Carroll is not a hardarse coach in fact, he is well known as one of the most a player friendly coaches in the NFL.

Now if you want the epitome of a hard arsed coach then look no further than Bill Belichick...... totally ruthless thats why he has 6 super bowl rings in twenty seasons and was runner up in 3 others.

By the way, I am in no way, in the " we want win another premiership under Simpson camp".

With this list he is as good a chance as any of the contending coaches, like any list and game plan it needs a tweak every year and some years both list and game plan need bigger tweaks than other years.
 
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All the guys playing the the AFL should all be self motivated, driven and disciplined to a point that requires very little direction in terms of how ruthless they should be at executing the teams plans. Coaches should be communicating an expectation to the players and what the overall plan is. They then delegate to senior leaders and line coaches to make it happen. If you find yourself continually 'berating' players to play to the teams expected level then thats not a coaching issue, thats an individuals players issue which needs to be addressed with that individual. And if you find their performance if not up to expectations and standards, they are gone, plain and simple.

You learn these things pretty quickly in places like the Army when you see the difference between how a grunt unit operates versus say the SAS. Members of the SAS are so motivated and driven that they require very little if any direction and the only outcome that matters is the outcome of the objective at hand. The quality and performance expectation check is a matter of how they are performing in their eyes of their teams mates and if those exceptions are being met or not. You lose motivation, drive and and a win at all costs (for your mates) attitude you will lose when things get tough.
 

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The wily weagle

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And Simpson doesn’t show any passion?



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Passion works both ways, both positive and negative, carrot and stick. At the moment there is plenty of carrot, and well, we haven't really ever seen the stick broken out!

Simpsons problem is that he is happy when we are doing well, but still fairly happy when we are not doing well. That's a weakness.

In football parlance, that's akin to lauding a player for working offensively, but then wondering why they are leaking goals because they are not defending.

We could call it the "Nat Fyfe" conundrum

I have a challenge: find me some footage of Simpson blowing his stack, getting mad, delivering a spray, etc. I would wager you would find that you cant, because its never really happened. Compare that to multiple flag winning coaches, Clarkson, Hardwick etc. If you type for example "Alastair Clarkson spray" into Google, there is a myriad of articles.

Again, i reiterate: I don't expect Simpson to be delivering a bake every week, nor every second week, nor even every month. But, in the course of a season, he should be capable of roasting the boys when they are underperforming sometimes
 

Miguel Sanchez

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Passion works both ways, both positive and negative, carrot and stick. At the moment there is plenty of carrot, and well, we haven't really ever seen the stick broken out!
Great. I still don't see what any of this has to do with the Pete Carroll video you posted.

I have a challenge: find me some footage of Simpson blowing his stack, getting mad, delivering a spray, etc. I would wager you would find that you cant, because its never really happened. Compare that to multiple flag winning coaches, Clarkson, Hardwick etc. If you type for example "Alastair Clarkson spray" into Google, there is a myriad of articles.
Cool, a wager. How much are we wagering? You name the stakes.
 

The wily weagle

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Great. I still don't see what any of this has to do with the Pete Carroll video you posted.



Cool, a wager. How much are we wagering? You name the stakes.
Spoken like a man already guessing he will win haha!

Let me guess: Will Schofield copping one from Simpson right?

Sometimes my man, its just worth putting these things in a thread just to antagonize you a bit and watch you diligently follow through ;)

Its cool though. As per Pete Carrol, i personally like the passion he conveys. Its not for everyone, but personally i think Simpson could use a lot more of it
 

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Passion works both ways, both positive and negative, carrot and stick. At the moment there is plenty of carrot, and well, we haven't really ever seen the stick broken out!

Simpsons problem is that he is happy when we are doing well, but still fairly happy when we are not doing well. That's a weakness.

In football parlance, that's akin to lauding a player for working offensively, but then wondering why they are leaking goals because they are not defending.

We could call it the "Nat Fyfe" conundrum

I have a challenge: find me some footage of Simpson blowing his stack, getting mad, delivering a spray, etc. I would wager you would find that you cant, because its never really happened. Compare that to multiple flag winning coaches, Clarkson, Hardwick etc. If you type for example "Alastair Clarkson spray" into Google, there is a myriad of articles.

Again, i reiterate: I don't expect Simpson to be delivering a bake every week, nor every second week, nor even every month. But, in the course of a season, he should be capable of roasting the boys when they are underperforming sometimes
Hardwick coached Richmond for 8 years before they won a premiership.

Do you reckon after the first 7 years he suddenly got aggro or is it maybe
he finally had a good side?

IMO, it's all about respect, not anger.
Players who want to play for the coach.
Pagan couldn't get near it at Carlton after they got decimated in the draft.

A couple of hot heads like Wallace and Eade.
How many premierships did they win again?
 

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Passion works both ways, both positive and negative, carrot and stick. At the moment there is plenty of carrot, and well, we haven't really ever seen the stick broken out!

Simpsons problem is that he is happy when we are doing well, but still fairly happy when we are not doing well. That's a weakness.

In football parlance, that's akin to lauding a player for working offensively, but then wondering why they are leaking goals because they are not defending.

We could call it the "Nat Fyfe" conundrum

I have a challenge: find me some footage of Simpson blowing his stack, getting mad, delivering a spray, etc. I would wager you would find that you cant, because its never really happened. Compare that to multiple flag winning coaches, Clarkson, Hardwick etc. If you type for example "Alastair Clarkson spray" into Google, there is a myriad of articles.

Again, i reiterate: I don't expect Simpson to be delivering a bake every week, nor every second week, nor even every month. But, in the course of a season, he should be capable of roasting the boys when they are underperforming sometimes
How many flags did Rodney Eade win?
 

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If anyone listend to X Ellis podcast from a few weeks ago he mentions in 2014 how they all went out after Glass's last game and got buckled.

Simmo found out and game them one hell of a bake with him asking who went out and Ellis was only one who put his hand up.
 

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