List Mgmt. Weak Flog Jake Lever Requests Trade to Melbourne, Causes Player Revolt

Where will Jake Lever end up?


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As I read the rules a player out of contract who is not traded can nominate for either the national draft or the pre-season draft. In the ND the player cannot stipulate contract length, salary etc, whereas in the PSD they can. (Refer TIPRAT drafted by Sydney in the PSD. Nobody else wanted him at that price).

As I figure it the Victorian club's will not want Lever to go to either draft. They've spent probably a year on the deal, cleared out salary cap for him, and
- if he goes to the ND they'll have to use their first rounder on him anyway, and thats taking the chance that lower clubs don't grab him first.
- if he goes to the PSD they might lose him if Carlton or North pick him (and North will have heaps of salary cap room if they don't get Martin.)

So.....he is worth at least a club''s first pick plus. The 'plus' is to get it done quickly and to make sure they get the player they have been planning for. And they'll want to be fair to the player they've told they'll bring to their club. (Refer Dangerfield). They won't want to leave the player hanging uncertainly for the draft.

So what's the 'plus' worth?

They won't want to give up a best 22 player, so unless there's a player we rate and they don't (refer Gore) it has to be some sort of draft pick/swap/future pick.
Liked your post. Its not full of rubbish Same as arrowman's.
I am one who believes that the PSD can be used as a threat. I am not saying we should actually use it as we could be cutting off our nose to spite our face. But I have said that if we are offered crap for Lever then we should seriously consider sending Lever there.

Now I am of the belief that if Melb offer Lever a 5 year $800K contract (total $4mill) and if we send him to the PSD all he can ask for is that same offer. I didn't know that he could ask for a 1 year deal for $900K. Can Lever ask for more than he has been offered to stop other clubs from taking him. Could he say ask for $2mill for 1 year get Melb to pay that out and then after one year sign for another four years at $500K for a total five year contract of $4mill. Wouldn't this be a manipulation of the rules???

I think that when everyone is saying force him to the PSD we all believe that the lower clubs should be able to pick him up but if he and Melb can manipulate the rules in the above manner then whats the point of even having the right to send him to the PSD?
 
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I'm loving getting to "know" Pyke in the last 12 months. I'm bloody liking it. Doesn't fluff around. Tough. Bit arrogant. Knows what he wants. He was a great pick up.
Funny, I watched him and Tex on AFL360 and I thought the interview was a bit flat. I would have liked to see him come across as being a little more human and laugh a bit. I think depending on the audience Pyke should lighten up a bit.
 

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Funny, I watched him and Tex on AFL360 and I thought the interview was a bit flat. I would have liked to see him come across as being a little more human and laugh a bit. I think depending on the audience Pyke should lighten up a bit.
After this week, i bet the whole club is a bit flat.
 

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Liked your post. Its not full of rubbish Same as arrowman's.
I am one who believes that the PSD can be used as a threat. I am not saying we should actually use it as we could be cutting off our nose to spite our face. But I have said that if we are offered crap for Lever then we should seriously consider sending Lever there.

Now I am of the believe that if Melb offer Lever a 5 year $800K contract (total $4mill) and if we send him to the PSD all he can ask for is that same offer. I didn't know that he could ask for a 1 year deal for $900K. Can Lever ask for more than he has been offered to stop other clubs from taking him. Could he say ask for $2mill for 1 year get Melb to pay that out and then after one year sign for another four years at $500K for a total five year contract of $4mill. Wouldn't this be a manipulation of the rules???

I think that when everyone is saying force him to the PSD we all believe that the lower clubs should be able to pick him up but if he and Melb can manipulate the rules in the above manner then whats the point of even having the right to send him to the PSD?
His offer isn't lodged like a RFA, they can do it. It's not a manipulation in that sense. If they manipulated the initial contract then yeah.
 

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Funny, I watched him and Tex on AFL360 and I thought the interview was a bit flat. I would have liked to see him come across as being a little more human and laugh a bit. I think depending on the audience Pyke should lighten up a bit.
Nah don't agree. He's not employed to entertain us during interviews. He's employed to entertain us during games - which his game style does in spades, and also win premierships. He doesn't want to talk to Robbo! He wants to watch tapes!
 

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Funny, I watched him and Tex on AFL360 and I thought the interview was a bit flat. I would have liked to see him come across as being a little more human and laugh a bit. I think depending on the audience Pyke should lighten up a bit.
He's all business, just the way he should be and I like it.

Much better than say, a Damian Hardwick who parades himself around on all the footy shows, with that stupid smirk, whistling at journalists to move off when his team's winning and is a sulky, grumpy knob when his team's losing. Very unprofessional. I maintain he won't coach a premiership.
 

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Liked your post. Its not full of rubbish Same as arrowman's.
I am one who believes that the PSD can be used as a threat. I am not saying we should actually use it as we could be cutting off our nose to spite our face. But I have said that if we are offered crap for Lever then we should seriously consider sending Lever there.

Now I am of the believe that if Melb offer Lever a 5 year $800K contract (total $4mill) and if we send him to the PSD all he can ask for is that same offer. I didn't know that he could ask for a 1 year deal for $900K. Can Lever ask for more than he has been offered to stop other clubs from taking him. Could he say ask for $2mill for 1 year get Melb to pay that out and then after one year sign for another four years at $500K for a total five year contract of $4mill. Wouldn't this be a manipulation of the rules???

I think that when everyone is saying force him to the PSD we all believe that the lower clubs should be able to pick him up but if he and Melb can manipulate the rules in the above manner then whats the point of even having the right to send him to the PSD?
Huh?

He could put any terms he likes on himself in either draft.

if someone takes him then they are obligated to meet them

It's not a complicated business
 

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Pyke doesn't strike me as a man who does anything without thinking intently about it.
I agree... But, I reckon since taking the coaching he is less rigid. An analytic person who swats away external noise. I make these assumptions with no evidence whatsoever, that's just the feeling I get.
He's our man.
Probably nothing to do with what you're posting. Just have an optimism about him.
We will smash the giants

Edit.
I just realised this is the Jake lever thread. Bahhh whatever. He's leavering.
 
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He's all business, just the way he should be and I like it.

Much better than say, a Damian Hardwick who parades himself around on all the footy shows, with that stupid smirk, whistling at journalists to move off when his team's winning and is a sulky, grumpy knob when his team's losing. Very unprofessional. I maintain he won't coach a premiership.
Especially now that dusty is taking up bulk of the salary cap for the next 7 years
 

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Huh?

He could put any terms he likes on himself in either draft.

if someone takes him then they are obligated to meet them

It's not a complicated business
But I'm pretty sure they can't then renegotiate it afterwards. I'm sure that's been stated here before.
 

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Lever has the opportunity to go home, yep home - and earn an extra $2m over the next 5 or 6 years.

While it is disappointing, that would be hard to walk away from. We just need to focus on getting the best deal now. This is the new age of football.
 

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Lever has the opportunity to go home, yep home - and earn an extra $2m over the next 5 or 6 years.

While it is disappointing, that would be hard to walk away from. We just need to focus on getting the best deal now. This is the new age of football.
Yes the new age of football that the AFC Appears to be the leading club.
 

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Lever has the opportunity to go home, yep home - and earn an extra $2m over the next 5 or 6 years.

While it is disappointing, that would be hard to walk away from. We just need to focus on getting the best deal now. This is the new age of football.
There is no go home factor for Lever, the decision is pure $$$$

I was told last night the club is more disappointed with Jake's backflip and at least with Danger the club always knew that their was a go home factor playing out with his partner and family

Jake himself earlier in the year wanted to talk to Pykey and told him that he not only wanted to stay but also wanted to be a future leader of the club and he trusted that the deal would get done before end of year

In this case a club is willing to pay way over market rates and money talks
 

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But I'm pretty sure they can't then renegotiate it afterwards. I'm sure that's been stated here before.
Isn't that what happened with Luke Ball? He put 2 years / 500K on himself in the draft, which nobody except Collingwood was willing to meet...then signed a 1-year extension at peanuts.
 

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One more thing I was told that the relationship between Lever and most of his team mates is now pure professional, not much Bro-Love however they expect him to play his team role well and to get the job done

If this slips I sense the Leaders will feel comfortable in discussing with Pyke
 

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Lever has the opportunity to go home, yep home - and earn an extra $2m over the next 5 or 6 years.

While it is disappointing, that would be hard to walk away from. We just need to focus on getting the best deal now. This is the new age of football.
Agree.

We cannot begrudge him for one going home and two getting a far superior deal, both these factors are related and I can respect why Lever may leave us.

Say what you want about Melbourne but they have clearly shown an upward improvement over the years, they will play finals in the next 5-6 years as well.

It makes this year so important to generate a flag from the Lever, Gov, CC trio as they will not be playing again ever.
 

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One more thing I was told that the relationship between Lever and most of his team mates is now pure professional, not much Bro-Love however they expect him to play his team role well and to get the job done

If this slips I sense the Leaders will feel comfortable in discussing with Pyke
At what point will Lever's presence become detrimental?

His form is very patchy, as others have noted he now has minimal leadership/organisational influence in defence as his voice and instruction has dropped off. Looks a completely different player now the swagger and arrogance has gone.
 
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