List Mgmt. Weak Flog Jake Lever Requests Trade to Melbourne, Causes Player Revolt

Where will Jake Lever end up?


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This guy did say yesterday that Hinkley was going to GC so not sure how reliable he is. Doesn't seem like a knob like the tradewhisperer though, especially since he's bagged Cornes and Rucci.

So in effect we lose Lever for 10 & 18 and Cameron for 27 & 41.

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He also said Crows were going cold on Gibbs as Carlton still want 2 firsts.
The points might say that but 10 and 27 is unders for Lever. Also pick 18 and a 4 pick upgrade in the 40's does not equal pick 15 on points.
Dear Clubs Wanting To Grab Jake Lever,

Are the two draft picks you're offering, single digit picks?

No?

Well **** off then.

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He might be worth getting, but he doesn't cover the value of Lever (in terms of trade value). Salem is stake knives.
Salem is steak knives is nearly the most ridiculous post you've ever made mate.....and you're one poster I have a lot of time for, you are so, so wrong this time re Salem, he is absolute quality
 

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Considering our current game, what role would see Watts playing?
He can be the ultimate swingman, back, forward, chop out ruck etc with his athleticism and marking ability, Andy Otten but with some speed , agility and athleticism.

Edit : Even j Lever's current role.
 

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Salem is steak knives is nearly the most ridiculous post you've ever made mate.....and you're one poster I have a lot of time for, you are so, so wrong this time re Salem, he is absolute quality
Normally I'd agree, but I just went and looked at the Lemons board, and here's what they're saying today about Salem

If he's the mid they're willing to trade... he's not the one we want

I would trade Salem if I were list manager. He's lacking something, but I can't put my finger on it.
I just worry that he's a 'tweener' type. Excellent kick, but not fast enough to be a half back; courageous, but not strong enough to play on-ball; smart, but not a good enough mark or crumber to play forward. I think he's best on a wing, but he lacks the pace to be a real line breaker. Tough one.
I know what you mean. I see a guy capable of playing well but he just doesn't have 'it'. Not convinced he is a long term AFL player.
Salem is a beautifully skilled player who is pretty hard at it but lacks physical attributes (Average pace, average strength, poor tank). I'd like us to keep him but can understand if they want to boot him.

Yeah ideally I'd like to trade a slightly later 3rd but thats probably what it'd come to.
He lacks defensive running and isn't particularly quick. Illnesses over the last few years have affected his tank.

His skill set is probably best suited as an inside mid, but he's smaller and probably less talented than the inside mids we have around his age. We played him off hb because he's a 'good' kick and we didn't have many of those when we drafted him.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him go to another Vic club with a bit of free cash. He has the pieces to be a very good player and could be a good smokey pick for a lower team. If we can get north or carltons second for him we'd be doing well.
Injuries a big part of Salem not fulfilling expectations to date. Had a shit of a year with hamstrings followed by a big chunk off last year being treated for hyperthyroidism - couldn't train much during that time because of the scarily accelerated heart-rate. However, such things are treatable so hopefully that is behind him. Though he has been suspended a couple of times this year, so appears to have found another obstacle to getting a run of games going.

He is a lovely kick - really classical - both in set shot kicks and can deliver your 50 metre dart to set up a goal. Balanced against this is that he has been known to spray some, but inexplicably stupid kicking errors is pretty much a baseline requirement to play for MFC so maybe he does that to fit in. He also has this weird thing of looking laconic - in the manner that Jack Watts is often criticised for - but I have a feeling this is just his face or his manner of moving or something that makes people (wrongly) rant about him not being engaged.

He can, incidentally, be deadly fierce in a tackle. For some reason this doesn't always get noticed - when he tackles the tacklee knows about it.

I rate him highly and I really want him to get a run at it, develop his talent and show everyone what he can do. I genuinely think he is worth a bit more effort, particularly since his delayed progress can at this point be explained by his career interruptions. Mind you, I've been wrong before, but I would like him to stay because we don't have that many players that look like naturally classy ball movers.
 

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Normally I'd agree, but I just went and looked at the Lemons board, and here's what they're saying today about Salem

If he's the mid they're willing to trade... he's not the one we want
Well good for them, because the strong word is we've already inquired.
 

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There's never a bidding war for services
Not by the time it reaches the trade table, anyway. Because clubs know if they want a player, they just have to convince that player to nominate them and only them.

Once that happens, then any arguments about "well you obviously rate the player highly because you offered them X, Y, Z, so therefore you should also be willing to give up a big draft pick" no longer apply.
 

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I hear this sentiment a lot, but surely it's actually the opposite of this?

They're offering to overpay him BECAUSE they don't want to overpay at the trade table. They want to make him an offer so good that he chooses them to the exclusion of other clubs, which gives them leverage at the trade table. It also takes the PSD threat out of the equation.

If they were willing to cough up big at the trade table they'd just offer him the same that other clubs are offering for him and then "win" the trade war on the size of the draft picks they offer.
You don't reckon North have 900k hanging around?
 

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IMO he's gone, and most of us can see that BUT if a deal can't be struck is there a chance that he signs a short term deal with us and tries again ??
Nah, I'm not sure now he's made his intentions patently clear we'd do that, I'd guess we've already moved on to looking at other options going forward. I wouldn't sign him again unless it was for a minimum 2 years personally. He's goneski or we wouldn't be inquiring about players.
 

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You don't reckon North have 900k hanging around?
Look, maybe I didn't make my point as clearly as I meant to.

It's not just about the dollar figure. The point is, clubs try to convince players to nominate them as their sole club of choice. Once you have a player nominate a single club as a destination, then that club has the upper hand over the player's old club in any trade negotiations.

Obviously there are several factors which go into this. Potential of success is one, family is another, lifestyle is another, opportunity is another, and obviously money. Once a player has decided "wow, that offer is too good to refuse, I want to go there and only there", their old club has very limited options for trade.


The point is, just because a club offers big money for a player, that doesn't mean we should expect them to offer a big draft pick as well. There is no reason for the two to go hand in hand, and I would suggest that most of the time it's the opposite. Big money helps to convince a player to shut down other options and leave their old club without leverage.
 

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He can be the ultimate swingman, back, forward, chop out ruck etc with his athleticism and marking ability, Andy Otten but with some speed , agility and athleticism.

Edit : Even j Lever's current role.
I worry that he just isn't strong enough mentally to bounce back at a second club. Didn't meet standards early season at Melbourne after having a career season in 2016. He should have been champing at the bit in 2017. Definitely talented but not committed enough in my opinion.
 

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I worry that he just isn't strong enough mentally to bounce back at a second club. Didn't meet standards early season at Melbourne after having a career season in 2016. He should have been champing at the bit in 2017. Definitely talented but not committed enough in my opinion.
IMO he's best served getting the hell out of Melbourne, with his obvious talent I'd take the gamble willingly. See Bernie Vince...
 

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Yes, this is the classic case of "why did we go to the trouble of developing the standards of a 'strong culture' if we're only willing to recruit players who already meet them?" If someone with the talent of Stringer is going, and he's physically fit (ie not having substance abuse issues - must admit, I have no idea) then he's worth a crack. Ready made player, talent to burn, and if he can just focus on his footy in our system he could be a bargain for a team in the middle of a premiership window.
 

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I would take Watts if he was steak knives as part of a trade involving the Dees 17 and 18 first round draft picks.

Give them a second round pick as well.

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I worry that he just isn't strong enough mentally to bounce back at a second club. Didn't meet standards early season at Melbourne after having a career season in 2016. He should have been champing at the bit in 2017. Definitely talented but not committed enough in my opinion.
If we trust our system, then he'd definitely be worth pursuing. Undoubted talent, just inconsistent and seems distracted. Has never experienced any other football environment bar Melbourne which until recently would not have set him up well.
 
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