List Mgmt. Weak Flog Jake Lever Requests Trade to Melbourne, Causes Player Revolt

Where will Jake Lever end up?


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Did I say we haven't? We've also lost more than most.

Only those living in denial could possible think we don't have an issue.
Yes we do have an jssue.

Our issue is we are good at developing talent that other clubs can afford to offer more coin to and thise that want more coin will leave.

The other problem is we are not based in Geelong or close proximity to Melbourne so players (Danger) can't take full advantage of the media opportunities there.


One problem we did fix, and this is Sando's Legacey to our club IMO is that young kids did struggle with being farmed out to random SANFL clubs. Gunston hated playing for Centrals. Couple that with his upbringing and influential father he left once Hawthorn came asking about him. Having our own Reserves team has mitigated that isolation our draftees can feel in their early years. It is something Sando (his strength and most of his coaching experience has been in junior development) pushed for early on.

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We give inflated contracts to shit players and mid-tier depth which leaves no room to retain developing players who turn out to be really good.

Also we haven't realized that no-one from outside SA wants to live in Adelaide and haven't adjusted for this fact accordingly
Or anyone from SA wants to live in SA....hence why we can't get em back!!
 

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Yes we do have an jssue.

Our issue is we are good at developi g talent that other clubs can afford to offer more coin to and thise that want more coin will leave.

The other problem is we are not based in Geelong or close proximity to Melbourne so players (Danger) can't take full advantage of the media opportunities there.


One problem we did fix, and this is Sando's Legacey to our club IMO is that young kids did struggle with being farmed out to random SANFL clubs. Gunston hated playing for Centrals. Couple that with his upbringing and influential father he left once Hawthorn came asking about him. Having our own Reserves team has mitigated that isolation our draftees can feel in their early years. It is something Sando (his strength and most of his coaching experience has been in junior development) pushed for this early on.

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Superb point...that has been greatly beneficial.
 

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Except Port do and if we lose Gov it's to a basket case.
Port players aren't wanted anywhere else though

If they go they go
Really don't care any more

Lever and Gov have every right not to sign until the end of their contract - club could just as easily delist them

Maybe we need to change how contracts are written where a decision has to me made mid year

In Melbourne players change clubs - that's even worse than reasons like moving home and nobody questions that.
 

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Says much more about Gov than our club in my opinion
Exactly

Wonder if they realize they are good partly because they're playing in a role they have been developed into that fits the team structure.

Losing by 100 points and playing in a barren MCG in front of 27000 people -ah, pffft ... knock yourselves out boys ...
 

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We give inflated contracts to shit players and mid-tier depth which leaves no room to retain developing players who turn out to be really good.

Also we haven't realized that no-one from outside SA wants to live in Adelaide and haven't adjusted for this fact accordingly
How do you propose we adjust to that? Just draft SA kids? Good luck in getting a good team then. Have a look at how many SA kids are taken in the draft compared to non-SA kids.
 

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Exactly

Wonder if they realize they are good partly because they're playing in a role they have been developed into that fits the team structure.

Losing by 100 points and playing in a barren MCG in front of 27000 people -ah, pffft ... knock yourselves out boys ...
Quite honestly, to run off your point--we don't want guys on our team that are okay with that. There is zero use for players that are okay with knocking around in front of next to nobody with not a care in the world where the team they are on finishes.

If I was coaching this team, I want guys that WANT to play in front of large crowds on Friday Night in big games versus Victorian clubs or Sydney and GWS. That is the culture we have, it is why we are successful and if we can maintain high caliber Footy losing the next year's Brownlow winner---we can surely lose a McGovern and not miss a beat.
 

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I am kind of getting sick of this thread. Not for reasons of discussing Jake leaving but because some are using this issue to again pot the club with out any facts or knowledge. If Jake and Gov leave, it clearly says more about them than it does the AFC. Yet some are acting like the worlds coming to an end and that its more players walking out of the AFC etc. I must have been asleep over the past few years because the only person to leave since Tippett that I am aware of is Dangerfield and he was speculated to leave at the beginning of 2014. Thats 5 whole seasons and one player. This talk about the club being easy pickings is actually statistically a load of crap. Using players that left before 2012 during the establishment of Gold Coast and GWS and others that have left doesn't count in this argument. If we had players leave last year and a couple in 2014 and 2013 I would understand this anti AFC sentiment. I just don't see how them leaving reflects on the AFC. As proven over and over again in the AFC list analysis we have the players to cover Lever. McGovern, not so much but I hear through the rumour mill that he is likely to stay. With Lever leaving we get to give opportunities to Doedee, hopefully get good draft pick compensation and use levers money on the midfield which is where we need a boost in depth.

Plus we are top! If all these players leaving were a issue, we wouldn't be.
 

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I am kind of getting sick of this thread. Not for reasons of discussing Jake leaving but because some are using this issue to again pot the club with out any facts or knowledge. If Jake and Gov leave, it clearly says more about them than it does the AFC. Yet some are acting like the worlds coming to an end and that its more players walking out of the AFC etc. I must have been asleep over the past few years because the only person to leave since Tippett that I am aware of is Dangerfield and he was speculated to leave at the beginning of 2014. Thats 5 whole seasons and one player. This talk about the club being easy pickings is actually statistically a load of crap. Using players that left before 2012 during the establishment of Gold Coast and GWS and others that have left doesn't count in this argument. If we had players leave last year and a couple in 2014 and 2013 I would understand this anti AFC sentiment. I just don't see how them leaving reflects on the AFC. As proven over and over again in the AFC list analysis we have the players to cover Lever. McGovern, not so much but I hear through the rumour mill that he is likely to stay. With Lever leaving we get to give opportunities to Doedee, hopefully get good draft pick compensation and use levers money on the midfield which is where we need a boost in depth.

Plus we are top! If all these players leaving were a issue, we wouldn't be.
How is that sand?
 

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I have no issue with him leaving, the issue I have is that we are the only the club in the afl that never seem to get fair compensation when trading some of our best players.

Contract or no contract, every other club gets what they want
 

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Yes we do have an jssue.

Our issue is we are good at developing talent that other clubs can afford to offer more coin to and thise that want more coin will leave.

The other problem is we are not based in Geelong or close proximity to Melbourne so players (Danger) can't take full advantage of the media opportunities there.


One problem we did fix, and this is Sando's Legacey to our club IMO is that young kids did struggle with being farmed out to random SANFL clubs. Gunston hated playing for Centrals. Couple that with his upbringing and influential father he left once Hawthorn came asking about him. Having our own Reserves team has mitigated that isolation our draftees can feel in their early years. It is something Sando (his strength and most of his coaching experience has been in junior development) pushed for early on.

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Agreed it's a good move having one team but let's see if the player drain stops.
 

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Quite honestly, to run off your point--we don't want guys on our team that are okay with that. There is zero use for players that are okay with knocking around in front of next to nobody with not a care in the world where the team they are on finishes.

If I was coaching this team, I want guys that WANT to play in front of large crowds on Friday Night in big games versus Victorian clubs or Sydney and GWS. That is the culture we have, it is why we are successful and if we can maintain high caliber Footy losing the next year's Brownlow winner---we can surely lose a McGovern and not miss a beat.
From outside looking in it is obvious our "culture" is performance based. For the most part we have a group of guys who want to achieve the most they can in their career.

The last five years we have been hit hard with tragedy and (self inflicted) sanctions. Yet (even though we have not won a flag) we have been competitive for three of those five years. And progressed up the ladder in those three years

We have also done this without a top ten draft pick in our side. Which means our guys have worked hard to get where they are with limited natural raw talent.

I will take that culture over most.



A good system will always be subject to poaching. Look at how many head coaches have been at Hawthorn as assistants under Clarko. Similar principal.

Aussie Rules is very much a team sport where system and method are more important than one or two star players

The key, like any organisation, is to maintain and build on your strength whilst still losing key staff/players. Which we have done.


Yeah it is not good that guys leave. But the flipside is that we have built a stronger Premiership contending team despite those guys leaving......

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I have no issue with him leaving, the issue I have is that we are the only the club in the afl that never seem to get fair compensation when trading some of our best players.

Contract or no contract, every other club gets what they want
Actually, this comment is pretty much mirrored on every club board on this site in threads discussing players traded
 

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From outside looking in it is obvious our "culture" is performance based. For the most part we have a group of guys who want to achieve the most they can in their career.

The last five years we have been hit hard with tragedy and (self inflicted) sanctions. Yet (even though we have not won a flag) we have been competitive for three of those five years. And progressed up the ladder in those three years

We have also done this without a top ten draft pick in our side. Which means our guys have worked hard to get where they are with limited natural raw talent.

I will take that culture over most.



A good system will always be subject to poaching. Look sst his many head coaches have been at Hawthorn as assistants under Clarko. Similar principal.

Aussie Rules is very much a team sport where system and method are more important than one or two star players

The key, like any organisation, is to maintain and build on your strength whilst still losing key staff/players. Which we have done.


Yeah it is not good that guys leave. But the flipside is that we have built a stronger Premiership contending team despite those guys leaving......

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That's great if we win the flag this year, because if we don't and when we drop next year, we can blame the players we've lost.
 

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So when we place such strong value on draftees with strong character we are judging poorly?
Strong character can mean different things. It can mean the ability to not get picked up by the police and not to use performance enhancing drugs.

In that regard the club is doing tremendous.

It is hard to project 4 years out where a person's heart will be and if $$ becomes the be all and end all. Like evaluating physical ability, you will have hits and misses.

I reckon' our club has more hits than misses last several years.
 

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Strong character can mean different things. It can mean the ability to not get picked up by the police and not to use performance enhancing drugs.

In that regard the club is doing tremendous.

It is hard to project 4 years out where a person's heart will be and if $$ becomes the be all and end all. Like evaluating physical ability, you will have hits and misses.

I reckon' our club has more hits than misses last several years.
We've had some pretty big and costly misses though.

If Lever and Gov go in the one year when we are flying, on top of Danger 2 years ago, that's a disaster and sends a horrible message to the rest of the comp, "we develop them, you pay them and they will go"

We must play hard ball with any trade and make it a process that players thinking of leaving are scared to go through.
 

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We've had some pretty big and costly misses though.

If Lever and Gov go in the one year when we are flying, on top of Danger 2 years ago, that's a disaster and sends a horrible message to the rest of the comp, "we develop them, you pay them and they will go"

We must play hard ball with any trade and make it a process that players thinking of leaving are scared to go through.
I don't see losing them as a disaster. But do agree that we are a target due to the quality of players we develop. It is an unfortunate compliment.

Agree 100% that we need to extract top value for these guys if they go.

Personally I feel we were not strong enough with Danger. Yes we got better tha the compo pick. And yes we got good value in being abke to get Milera.

But the rest if the trade was poor. Gore was never going to be an AFL player.

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I don't see losing them as a disaster. But do agree that we are a target due to the quality of players we develop. It is an unfortunate compliment.

Agree 100% that we need to extract top value for these guys if they go.

Personally I feel we were not strong enough with Danger. Yes we got better tha the compo pick. And yes we got good value in being abke to get Milera.

But the rest if the trade was poor. Gore was never going to be an AFL player.

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How can you not see losing 2 gun young players as a disaster?

And before you point to how well we are going this year despite losing players, take out Gov and Lever from this years team and where do you think it would be?
 
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