List Mgmt. Weak Flog Jake Lever Requests Trade to Melbourne, Causes Player Revolt

Where will Jake Lever end up?


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We give inflated contracts to shit players and mid-tier depth which leaves no room to retain developing players who turn out to be really good.

Also we haven't realized that no-one from outside SA wants to live in Adelaide and haven't adjusted for this fact accordingly
Yeah, that hack Rory Sloane....

Honestly, if Melbourne want to pay Jake $850k and we're at fair value of $650-700 then good luck to him. I love him, but you don't pay overs for defenders.

This isn't a situation of a bloke just wanting to leave. He's being given a godfather offer. A bloke who's already done his knee once would be stupid not to consider it.

People wringing their hands about losing players should consider we are likely to retain one of the most exciting forwards in the comp, despite his brother playing for a good club in his home state who'd love to have him, and the other WA club throwing big buckets of money at him coz they don't have a forward.

Shit happens, make the most of the opportunity, but let's just get some perspective and stop all the doom and gloom.
 

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How can you not see losing 2 gun young players as a disaster?

And before you point to how well we are going this year despite losing players, take out Gov and Lever from this years team and where do you think it would be?
I learnt after losing Danger, and how we have responded, that losing no player is a disaster to the team. When he left I thought we would struggle afterwards. We didn't.

And yes both guys have been important this year. But someone else will stand up next year.







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Yeah, that hack Rory Sloane....

Honestly, if Melbourne want to pay Jake $850k and we're at fair value of $650-700 then good luck to him. I love him, but you don't pay overs for defenders.

This isn't a situation of a bloke just wanting to leave. He's being given a godfather offer. A bloke who's already done his knee once would be stupid not to consider it.

People wringing their hands about losing players should consider we are likely to retain one of the most exciting forwards in the comp, despite his brother playing for a good club in his home state who'd love to have him, and the other WA club throwing big buckets of money at him coz they don't have a forward.

Shit happens, make the most of the opportunity, but let's just get some perspective and stop all the doom and gloom.
are we really though? there's nothing except rumours to suggest he's staying.
 

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I have no issue with him leaving, the issue I have is that we are the only the club in the afl that never seem to get fair compensation when trading some of our best players.

Contract or no contract, every other club gets what they want
This is my biggest gripe. It's because we've been naive and let players get to the last year of their contracts. This needs to change so we maintain leverage.
 

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I learnt after losing Danger, and how we have responded, that losing no player is a disaster to the team. When he left I thought we would struggle afterwards. We didn't.

And yes both guys have been important this year. But someone else will stand up next year.







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We can't keep losing quality players and not except that it will catch up with you.

We don't have that much quality in the reserves, especially not to cover Gov.
 

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We've had some pretty big and costly misses though.

If Lever and Gov go in the one year when we are flying, on top of Danger 2 years ago, that's a disaster and sends a horrible message to the rest of the comp, "we develop them, you pay them and they will go"

We must play hard ball with any trade and make it a process that players thinking of leaving are scared to go through.
I never said we should roll over...in fact, I would have taken a harder line with Mr. Dapper Dan.

It isn't a disaster to lose players...it is an opportunity for others to step up--exactly why we have to develop and draft well each and every year.

Players get hurt--do we fold the club up if Tex and and Sloaney go down?
 
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WTF you talking about? Lol
Your original post was a broad statement of opinion, nothing more.

A good example of comparison might be Buddy Franklin. All Hawthorn received as compensation was pick 19 when Hawthorn chose not match the offer he received from Sydney. Buddy was taken at pick 5, who signed a multi million dollar contract with Sydney for 9 years.
 

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This isn't a situation of a bloke just wanting to leave. He's being given a godfather offer. A bloke who's already done his knee once would be stupid not to consider it.
That's one of two lines that is rolled out every time.

Bock - "Godfather offer" to join Gold Coast
Davis - "Godfather offer" to join GWS
Tippett - "Godfather offer" to leave and "didn't want to live in Adelaide"
Gunston - "Wanted to go home"
Dangerfield - "Wanted to go home"
Lever - "Godfather offer"

Every single one of these excuses is blame shifting from the club to the players because it's easy. Oh how convenient, we couldn't retain Lever because he got a "godfather offer". We did nothing wrong. It's all Lever's fault. What a campaigner. And that Gunston bloke, what a flog, couldn't retain him if we tried because he couldn't bare the thought of living in Adelaide.

We are not going to fix the issue until we accept some of the blame and work out genuinely effective strategies to retain players.
 

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Yeah, that hack Rory Sloane....

Honestly, if Melbourne want to pay Jake $850k and we're at fair value of $650-700 then good luck to him. I love him, but you don't pay overs for defenders.

This isn't a situation of a bloke just wanting to leave. He's being given a godfather offer. A bloke who's already done his knee once would be stupid not to consider it.

People wringing their hands about losing players should consider we are likely to retain one of the most exciting forwards in the comp, despite his brother playing for a good club in his home state who'd love to have him, and the other WA club throwing big buckets of money at him coz they don't have a forward.

Shit happens, make the most of the opportunity, but let's just get some perspective and stop all the doom and gloom.
That was a lucid, well thought out post...which I agree with 100%.

You feeling okay, mate? ;)
 

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That's one of two lines that is rolled out every time.

Bock - "Godfather offer" to join Gold Coast
Davis - "Godfather offer" to join GWS
Tippett - "Godfather offer" to leave and "didn't want to live in Adelaide"
Gunston - "Wanted to go home"
Dangerfield - "Wanted to go home"
Lever - "Godfather offer"

Every single one of these excuses is blame shifting from the club to the players because it's easy. Oh how convenient, we couldn't retain Lever because he got a "godfather offer". We did nothing wrong. It's all Lever's fault. What a campaigner. And that Gunston bloke, what a flog, couldn't retain him if we tried because he couldn't bare the thought of living in Adelaide.

We are not going to fix the issue until we accept some of the blame and work out effective strategies to retain players.
Such as?
 

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We can't keep losing quality players and not except that it will catch up with you.

We don't have that much quality in the reserves, especially not to cover Gov.
Himmelberg is a similar player.

Or you adjust the game plan and alter the role Gov had.

A good coach evolves his method with the players he has

We will have an entire preseason to adapt.


As I have said, it is not good to lose players. But you adapt and improve.



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We are not going to fix the issue until we accept some of the blame and work out genuinely effective strategies to retain players.
Can't force out of contract players to stay here if they want to leave.

However, one solution to the issue is to identify a core of 6-8 players early and "overpay" them to sign longer deals. That is the solution but boy if you miss on a player and/or he can't stay on the Footy field, you handcuff yourself that way too.
 

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I think this board is going to need some fire extinguishers and melt trays when the Lever deal is done. Anything less than Petracca + 2 firsts is going to be seen as an epic fail. Let's face it - you're never going to "win" a trade like this, and break even is subjective. Will be interesting to see.
He is also a THIRD defender, playing loose in defence.
 

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Personally I feel we were not strong enough with Danger. Yes we got better tha the compo pick. And yes we got good value in being abke to get Milera.

But the rest if the trade was poor. Gore was never going to be an AFL player.
This. If we do a trade with Melbourne it needs to be for quality draft picks or a proven quality player. No spuds.
 

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Yeah, that hack Rory Sloane....

Honestly, if Melbourne want to pay Jake $850k and we're at fair value of $650-700 then good luck to him. I love him, but you don't pay overs for defenders.

This isn't a situation of a bloke just wanting to leave. He's being given a godfather offer. A bloke who's already done his knee once would be stupid not to consider it.

People wringing their hands about losing players should consider we are likely to retain one of the most exciting forwards in the comp, despite his brother playing for a good club in his home state who'd love to have him, and the other WA club throwing big buckets of money at him coz they don't have a forward.

Shit happens, make the most of the opportunity, but let's just get some perspective and stop all the doom and gloom.
Pretty much agree with this post, in particular I just dont understand why people think Jake is worth the rumoured $850k.
If Jake leaves our club will survive without him.
 
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