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Yes we may have paid too much for him but people have to realise he is never going to be a champion and stop blaming him for what the clud had to spend to get him. Thats not his fault at all

He has signed another contract since we got him, but he put in a burst of committed football just before he signed to fox the club into another big contract. Not that fooling them is too hard, JLo managed to get a 3 year contract with ruined knees.

The problem with DJ is could be a great player, if not a champion player, if only he had the heart.
 
He has signed another contract since we got him, but he put in a burst of committed football just before he signed to fox the club into another big contract. Not that fooling them is too hard, JLo managed to get a 3 year contract with ruined knees.

The problem with DJ is could be a great player, if not a champion player, if only he had the heart.

Classic rubbish and innaccuracy. Longmuir signed a 4 year deal, not a 3 year deal. The club signed knowing exactly the situation and had clear medical advice. They also would have know exactly what to expect from Headland.

If Webster had pace and better skills then he could be a champion player. He doesn't and is therefore a good ordinary player. If Bell was 2 feet taller he could be a ruckman. What exactly is your point? You are the one who continually judges him on potential. My whole argument is that like all of the players they should be judged on their performance. Not their pay. Not what they could do/be.
 

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If Webster had pace and better skills then he could be a champion player. He doesn't and is therefore a good ordinary player. If Bell was 2 feet taller he could be a ruckman. What exactly is your point?

Bell doesn't grow 2 feet taller when his daughter is insulted.

You are the one who continually judges him on potential. My whole argument is that like all of the players they should be judged on their performance. Not their pay. Not what they could do/be.

We should be judging on peformance, and on performance Des Headland should be on 80k, and he should be a very doubtful starter for any finals games we have. Unfortunately this is not the case.
 
Classic rubbish and innaccuracy. Longmuir signed a 4 year deal, not a 3 year deal. The club signed knowing exactly the situation and had clear medical advice. They also would have know exactly what to expect from Headland.

If the medical advice given to the club was that Jlo would be playing a full year we need new medical advice, because since his contract was signed JLo has not played out even close to a full year.

Well its hard to imagine what they expected from Dessy, because if they were expecting souless, uncommited performances like Dessy seems to turn out week after week, then why are we paying him 300k?!
 
Well, that's me out of this discussion for now. Would have loved to continue it but when the argument that comes back is not based on actual facts, but on opions such as you guys spew out, there's no point. You can't have both of a) Des Headland never performs in finals and 2) Des Headland BOG in a final in the same argument. They are mutually exclusive regardless of the team.

And you also can't criticise a player who is our leading kick getter this season as being poor value for money while exalting a player who has got himself suspended from selection for over half the season because of his own actions, and still expect credibility.
 
fremantle dont have the mental strength to win a premirship. the likes of tarrant have made the problem worse
 
You can't have both of a) Des Headland never performs in finals and 2) Des Headland BOG in a final in the same argument. They are mutually exclusive regardless of the team.
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You need to stop living in the past. Des Headland has not played a good finals game for the Dockers. That is just a fact. His finals campaign last year was absymal.
 
fremantle dont have the mental strength to win a premirship. the likes of tarrant have made the problem worse

oh shutup. You can't even spell premiership right and you signed up in 2007, listing your side as the Eagles. A real hero. Comeback to us when your soulless team hasn't just won the premiership. Oh wait, your a Weagles supporter, you'll throw in your membership if the team doesn't win this year too.
 

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Suspending Jeffrey was not in the best interests of the club. That decision was made in the interests of getting Rick Hart some cheap "feel good" publicity in the media.

Absolutely. The fact that CC or the playing group was not even consulted on a decision that has such a serious impact on our season is deplorable. Are we here to win football, or here to pat each other on the back about how our public image is clean? We have 35k members, why do we give a toss about what anyone else says? We're a football club, not a "feel good" insitution. We're here to win games. At least the robots over at WCE have got that bit right.
 
I just want to point out that Jeff Farmer was unfairly crucified by FFC board pandering to the politically correct champagne set who are most probably not Dockers members anyway.



:rolleyes:
Very few people had a problem with the boards decision when it was made, now that our season is teetering on the brink you want to blame the board. The punishment of Farmer was justified considering the number of on and off field indiscretions he has had since arriving at the club.

There is a lack of discipline at our club on and off the field, taking a hard line on Farmer will hopefully go a long way towards curing the off field stuff.
 
I disagree, the punishment was grossly disproportionate to the alleged offence.

The problem with the punishment, is while it punished Jeffrey, it has punished the entire team by removing an intregral cog in the team's make up. Even if Jeffrey was in the wrong, they should have limited the punishment to a fine, or community service off the field, and not punished the team as a whole. This was an off-field incident, and it should have been dealt with off the field. The fact that the decision was made by the board and not the coach/players makes it all the worse.

Rick Hart just wants to be the big man who is "tough" on players, and who is making a stand. You know what the reality is? He is incidental to the club, he is a nessecary evil we put up with so the club can get on with playing football. What is his role on gameday? He doesn't have one, so why he is making decisions as to who is playing, and who is not?
 
He broke team rules.

For **** sake are you that thick to understand that the guy was told only a few weeks early not to be at a certain establishment and then the night before the club plays he rocks up at this place and gets into an altercation. The club needed to come down on him and he has no one else but himself to blame.

I swear to god some people are thick as ****en bricks
 

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The problem with the punishment, is while it punished Jeffrey, it has punished the entire team by removing an intregral cog in the team's make up. Even if Jeffrey was in the wrong, they should have limited the punishment to a fine, or community service off the field, and not punished the team as a whole. This was an off-field incident, and it should have been dealt with off the field. The fact that the decision was made by the board and not the coach/players makes it all the worse.

Have you ever thought that this is one of the main reason the punishment would hurt Jeffrey so much. The guy loves playing football for Fremantle more than anything and if taking that away from him doesn't work nothing will.

Trust me a fine in this situation was not going to get the job done and now he has to make it up to the club.
 
When a decision is necessary that requires some guts and steel (like dropping a "big name player" like DJ Headland back to the WAFL) there is all too often a deafening silence from FFC.

Suspending Jeffrey was not in the best interests of the club. That decision was made in the interests of getting Rick Hart some cheap "feel good" publicity in the media.


So you think the board should select the team each week? A guy that "sells fridges" is in no position to run the off field side of the club, but is qualified to make team selections?

Dropping Farmer certainly wasn't in the best interest of the club in the short term, but letting the playing group know that continued misdemeanors off field won't be tolerated will be a positive in the long term. Jeff Farmer is a senior player and held in high regard by the indigenous players at the club, if Farmer wasn't punished the young fellas would have assumed that fighting bouncers was acceptable.
 
Have you ever thought that this is one of the main reason the punishment would hurt Jeffrey so much. The guy loves playing football for Fremantle more than anything and if taking that away from him doesn't work nothing will.

Trust me a fine in this situation was not going to get the job done and now he has to make it up to the club.

The issue i have is, is they let him get away with minor issues for a long period of time, doing apparantly, nothing and then finally one proverbial "straw that broke the camels back" comes along, and they come down on him like a ton of bricks. And you cannot tell me if the Ben Cousins saga hadn't been going on, Jeffrey would have gotten the same punishment.

A shitload of community service, and a big fine would have done the trick, but instead they have jeapodized our season so that Rick Hart can look like a big man.
 
The issue i have is, is they let him get away with minor issues for a long period of time, doing apparantly, nothing and then finally one proverbial "straw that broke the camels back" comes along, and they come down on him like a ton of bricks. And you cannot tell me if the Ben Cousins saga hadn't been going on, Jeffrey would have gotten the same punishment.

A shitload of community service, and a big fine would have done the trick, but instead they have jeapodized our season so that Rick Hart can look like a big man.

So you know for a fact they have done nothing??
 
I disagree, the punishment was grossly disproportionate to the alleged offence.

I dont think off field discipline at FFC is any worse than the average club - and is clearly much better than WCE.

Rick Hart just got swept up in the hysteria of the "Ben Cousins scandal" and decided to grab a cheap headline so as to pander to his increasingly out of control ego.


Players who are unavailable for selection aren't supposed to go out drinking.
Farmer broke that rule. Polak and Dodd got dropped a few years ago for drinking without incident on their birthday when they were injured. Chad Fletcher was also dropped for a final for drinking.

The senior players decided that players should avoid Northbridge, particularly Paramount, Black Betty's and Rise.
Farmer broke that rule too.

If the club had found out that Farmer had been drunk in Northbridge at venues that they decided were no go zones, he would have possibly been suspended but he would have probably got another warning. The fact he got into a fight with security guards meant that he would definatelyt be suspended. If Farmer had contacted the club after being released from lock up he would have probably got suspended for a fortnight. Instead the club found out about the incident via the media, and Jeff wouldn't answer the phone in the hour prior to the board meeting.

What was the club supposed to do with a player who wasn't available for selection due to a selfish act, went where he was told not to, punched a bouncer, got arrested, and avoided the club and chose not to tell his side of the story?

I'd love to have Farmer in the side this week, and if he had accepted the 4 weeks for the eye gouge instead of fighting it he would be playing his fifth game for the season this week.

If you want to blame someone for Farmer not being available you should be blaming Farmer for either the eye gouge, his decision to contest it, his decision to go into Northbridge, his decision to fight a bouncer, his decision to not call the club, or his decision to not answer his phone when Rick Hart, Ben Allan and Keith Black were trying to contact him.
 

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