Weaver phantom draft 2007

[Grimreepah]

It seems strange to me that pretty much all the phantom drafts had Gourdis and Gaertner going fairly early, yet Weaver is the only only one getting criticised for it.

 

[sinepari]

I thought Gaertner was worth top 15. I stuffed up.

 

[Reg Hickey]

Plus pick 17 in the supuerdraft (Collard)

Picks 1, 5, 10, 17 (super), 18 - Richmond

Thats great for getting Tiger fans pumped up about the future, but a complete and utter tragedy for the poor young players involved.

I've come to the conclusion that Richmond is a talent black hole - even kids who could and should have been superstars somehow have their talent slowly sucked out of them during their first few years at Punt Rd and end up just mediocre. Exhibit 1: pretty much all of Richmond's first round picks for the past few years - there are a lot of them, and none are as good as they should be.

David Rodan did well to get out of there in time and salvage what was left of his career before he became just another dribbling, glassy-eyed yellow and black zombie.

 

[goodie23]

I thought Gaertner was worth top 15. I stuffed up.

Or the clubs stuffed up. Too early to call

 

[- PC -]

Would you have known ANYTHING about the players your club drafted if you didn't have posters like weaver filling you in?

Thats the benefit for me. I dont rate the posters on the position of the players but the write ups, hell I'm too lazy to get out and watch them , or run through 400 different websites reading player snippets, so I appreciate Weaver and his brethrens efforts at providing me information on the players my club picks.

And yes tacupwatcher has a certain aura about him

 

[lids2004roar]

Or the clubs stuffed up. Too early to call

IMO the clubs go it wrong. I just hope he ends up at Richmond!

 

[itsintheblood]

Does everyone in this thread want to bed weaver?


He did not get one of the top 20 right!? Infact he got it so wrong that his picks 5, 9 and 19 didnt even get drafted!! not to mention picks 21, 23 and 29!!

I personaly thought this read was a waste of time. When certain posters such as weaver get a certain mistique and ora about them not matter what they post people are goin to applaud him. im sure there are plenty of people at home thinking the same as me but just dont want to say anything because in general the big footy public want to jump in the sac with weaver!!


i know i am goin to get the old "where was your phantom draft" "he knows more then you" yes maybe so and im the first to agree that weaver has made some great calls but this just wasn't one of them..if you are going to put your opinions out there expect them to be critisised just as mine will be..

Ok then let's see you have a crack at it next year.

 

[macca69]

It seems strange to me that pretty much all the phantom drafts had Gourdis and Gaertner going fairly early, yet Weaver is the only only one getting criticised for it.

I'd argue that the reason that a lot of others had Gaertner and Gourdis going early was due to Weaver rating them where they did.

As others have said, it's stupid to criticize Weaver just because his opinion differs to a lot of recruiting managers. On numerous occasions RM's have gotten it wrong before (just have a look at some of the success stories off the rookie list and the like, even Pavlich was completely overlooked as a bottom ager).

Even though Weaver's opinion does sometimes differ to mine, I still enjoy reading his opinions as they differ from the majority of people that post on here that often just rehash 2nd hand info.

 

[gandaal]

You can count on one hand the amount of players who slid on draft day and actually proved the clubs wrong at the end of the day. Kade Simpson and Andrew Swallow would be the only two I can think of. Conners might end up as another but its too early to tell because the question mark over Conners was never his ability. Grundy? Hasn't done a great deal so you'd be generous to include him.

That said I'm not sure why anyone is critising Weaver's (or anyone elses) phantom draft because they didn't get it 100% correct. Weaver and co are just giving their informed opinions and I for one think that's fantastic. Besides phantom drafts are just as interesting for the players who were rated higher than they were taken, then for the players who were drafted where suggested.

A couple of years ago Colin Wiseby rated a WA kid called Dennis Armfield at number 8 in the 2005 draft and didn't understand why clubs weren't interested. Two years later, two years of impressive performances in the WAFL, Dennis gets picked up by Carlton with pick 46 and he's impressing everyone at the club through his hardwork, speed and skill at training. So you have to ask yourself, was Wiseby right? We'll soon find out.

 

[macca69]

You can count on one hand the amount of players who slid on draft day and actually proved the clubs wrong at the end of the day. Kade Simpson and Andrew Swallow would be the only two I can think of. Conners might end up as another but its too early to tell because the question mark over Conners was never his ability. Grundy? Hasn't done a great deal so you'd be generous to include him.

I wasn't taking about guys that 'slid' as that only refers to guys that the BF community rated, but RM's didn't. I was talking about guys that RM's assessed wrong regardless of how they were rated on here. Of which there are many examples each year and what I was trying to say is that because of these players you can't judge Weaver's assessment of players purely on where they are taken on draft draft.

edit - just saw ur 2nd and 3rd paragraph's, that's pretty much the point I was trying to get across.

 

[ToroHombre]

Weaver may have been wrong on a lot of the picks, but the funny thing is, when Weaver posts something, people take notice and believe it. There aren't many on BF who you could say that for.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

....you were spot here weren't ya bud..

Does everyone in this thread want to bed weaver?

I personaly thought this read was a waste of time. When certain posters such as weaver get a certain mistique and ora about them not matter what they post people are goin to applaud him.

if you are going to put your opinions out there expect them to be critisised just as mine will be..

Comments like these is the reason why we've seen people with genuine footy knowledge dissappear from this site, and left us the poorer for it.

If you're reading these phantom drafts just to see how many are correct then don't bother from now on. Nobody gets it right. And the reason why weaver's opinion is respected is because by and large they're his own opinions and not the regurgitated tripe you see on here year after year.

Most people read them for the profiles, not the numbers.

He should be expected to be criticised? Why? Because it makes you feel better. Opinions can be dissected and questioned, sure. But why should someone who takes the time (and I'd like to know how much ime it takes to write the good phantom's up) be objected to cheap shots when they have such good intentions?

 

[sydney eagle]

Weaver's phantom drafts are good NOT because he says player X is likely to go to team A but because he gives REASONS for his selections. You may not agree with his reasons, but at least they are there for you to disagree with; some of the people who do phantom drafts don't even supply a hint of their reasoning !

 

[JDC!]

I enjoy reading Weaver's phantom drafts not because I believe that they will be completely accurate but because he seems fairly knowledgeable on the players that he is talking about. Only a couple of selections in his draft were, what I thought, very unlikely. But I can't complain because I didn't do a phantom draft.

 

[Vader]

Weaver,
Your phantom draft made no mention of three of the players Adelaide drafted - Aaron Kite, Tony Armstrong and Myke Cook.

No criticism intended, none of the phantom drafts I saw mentioned these guys other than the Burgatron - which had Armstrong being drafted (albeit not by the Crows) and mentioned Cook only in passing.

With all of these guys being drafted from Victoria, most Crows fans don't know a heck of a lot about them (other than what has already been written on our board). I value your opinions on the underage competitions and the players there-in, and would love to hear your comments on these three players in particular.

Thanks.

 

[foj1]

Weaver,
Your phantom draft made no mention of three of the players Adelaide drafted - Aaron Kite, Tony Armstrong and Myke Cook.

No criticism intended, none of the phantom drafts I saw mentioned these guys other than the Burgatron - which had Armstrong being drafted (albeit not by the Crows) and mentioned Cook only in passing.

With all of these guys being drafted from Victoria, most Crows fans don't know a heck of a lot about them (other than what has already been written on our board). I value your opinions on the underage competitions and the players there-in, and would love to hear your comments on these three players in particular.

Thanks.

I can help you with all three.
Aaron Kite is a tall quick who was played mainly at full forward this year although played at fullback against Tim Bongetti during the nationals. He is very quick for his size, extremely clean below his knees and is capable of doing the exceptional. He represented Victoria in the U/16 Nationals but got injured in the second game. The knock on Aaron is he has been injury prone and hasnt always displayed the best attitude however that improved as the year went on. Everyone in TAC circles knows the kid has talent it was just a matter of taking a risk on body and lesser degree attitude. He has the talent to be an extremely good AFL player and Adelaide already have some good systems in place to help him.
Tony Armstrong has been boarding at Assumption College and only played a couple of games for Calder this year and one the year before. He is quick, well balanced and posseses A1 vision. The question mark on Tony is his willingness to put his head over the pill in heavy traffic however he was better at that during the Nationals. At AFL level I would imagine Armstrong would be a running defender who sets up play from half back. He is going to need to bulk up but like a lot of indigenous players he seems to evade a lot of the physical tackles. Tony has an extroverted personality and will fit into a footy club easily and that helps young blokes more than you could believe.
Myke Cook is an extremely quick mid who loves to take players on. He is capable of getting a heap of the ball and his disposal has continued to improve. Cook is going to have to continue to work on body strength but he is very exciting and certainly breaks the lines which would complement AFL inside midfielders which Adelaide have a few of. Very solid citizen off the field who showed real leadership in a struggling team this year.

 

[scooter600x]

I can help you with all three.
Aaron Kite is a tall quick who was played mainly at full forward this year although played at fullback against Tim Bongetti during the nationals. He is very quick for his size, extremely clean below his knees and is capable of doing the exceptional. He represented Victoria in the U/16 Nationals but got injured in the second game. The knock on Aaron is he has been injury prone and hasnt always displayed the best attitude however that improved as the year went on. Everyone in TAC circles knows the kid has talent it was just a matter of taking a risk on body and lesser degree attitude. He has the talent to be an extremely good AFL player and Adelaide already have some good systems in place to help him.
Tony Armstrong has been boarding at Assumption College and only played a couple of games for Calder this year and one the year before. He is quick, well balanced and posseses A1 vision. The question mark on Tony is his willingness to put his head over the pill in heavy traffic however he was better at that during the Nationals. At AFL level I would imagine Armstrong would be a running defender who sets up play from half back. He is going to need to bulk up but like a lot of indigenous players he seems to evade a lot of the physical tackles. Tony has an extroverted personality and will fit into a footy club easily and that helps young blokes more than you could believe.
Myke Cook is an extremely quick mid who loves to take players on. He is capable of getting a heap of the ball and his disposal has continued to improve. Cook is going to have to continue to work on body strength but he is very exciting and certainly breaks the lines which would complement AFL inside midfielders which Adelaide have a few of. Very solid citizen off the field who showed real leadership in a struggling team this year.

The Dogs intended to take Armstrong with their last pick but Adelaide got in first.

 

[Vader]

I can help you with all three.
Aaron Kite is a tall quick who was played mainly at full forward this year although played at fullback against Tim Bongetti during the nationals. He is very quick for his size, extremely clean below his knees and is capable of doing the exceptional. He represented Victoria in the U/16 Nationals but got injured in the second game. The knock on Aaron is he has been injury prone and hasnt always displayed the best attitude however that improved as the year went on. Everyone in TAC circles knows the kid has talent it was just a matter of taking a risk on body and lesser degree attitude. He has the talent to be an extremely good AFL player and Adelaide already have some good systems in place to help him.
Tony Armstrong has been boarding at Assumption College and only played a couple of games for Calder this year and one the year before. He is quick, well balanced and posseses A1 vision. The question mark on Tony is his willingness to put his head over the pill in heavy traffic however he was better at that during the Nationals. At AFL level I would imagine Armstrong would be a running defender who sets up play from half back. He is going to need to bulk up but like a lot of indigenous players he seems to evade a lot of the physical tackles. Tony has an extroverted personality and will fit into a footy club easily and that helps young blokes more than you could believe.
Myke Cook is an extremely quick mid who loves to take players on. He is capable of getting a heap of the ball and his disposal has continued to improve. Cook is going to have to continue to work on body strength but he is very exciting and certainly breaks the lines which would complement AFL inside midfielders which Adelaide have a few of. Very solid citizen off the field who showed real leadership in a struggling team this year.

Thanks for that lot. Far more comprehensive than anything I've seen thus far on the Adelaide board.

 

[lids2004roar]

Would you rather have no phantom drafts at all? No write ups? No information until draft day?

Because that is what could happen if people constantly critisise the few who actually know what they're talking about.

Just sit back and be grateful you have anything to read here at all.

 

[Crow-mo]

I can help you with all three.
Aaron Kite is a tall quick who was played mainly at full forward this year although played at fullback against Tim Bongetti during the nationals. He is very quick for his size, extremely clean below his knees and is capable of doing the exceptional. He represented Victoria in the U/16 Nationals but got injured in the second game. The knock on Aaron is he has been injury prone and hasnt always displayed the best attitude however that improved as the year went on. Everyone in TAC circles knows the kid has talent it was just a matter of taking a risk on body and lesser degree attitude. He has the talent to be an extremely good AFL player and Adelaide already have some good systems in place to help him.
Tony Armstrong has been boarding at Assumption College and only played a couple of games for Calder this year and one the year before. He is quick, well balanced and posseses A1 vision. The question mark on Tony is his willingness to put his head over the pill in heavy traffic however he was better at that during the Nationals. At AFL level I would imagine Armstrong would be a running defender who sets up play from half back. He is going to need to bulk up but like a lot of indigenous players he seems to evade a lot of the physical tackles. Tony has an extroverted personality and will fit into a footy club easily and that helps young blokes more than you could believe.
Myke Cook is an extremely quick mid who loves to take players on. He is capable of getting a heap of the ball and his disposal has continued to improve. Cook is going to have to continue to work on body strength but he is very exciting and certainly breaks the lines which would complement AFL inside midfielders which Adelaide have a few of. Very solid citizen off the field who showed real leadership in a struggling team this year.

Thanks for that. really appreciate constructive input