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Sanders said:
sure, you make some fair points

but I don’t see what that has to do with whether he’s worth his draft slot?
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Sure. That’s a fair call. I would prefer he was further advanced. My point is that he is making some reasonable progress this year. If he maintains the rate of improvement, he may end up playing at a level worthy of his drafting position. Heck at the beginning of the year people had him as a complete bust. I think we can all see now that he isn’t a bust.
I’m saying that he will play quite a few AFL games and be very serviceable.
Time will tell.



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Mileratkinsshow said:
Sure. That’s a fair call. I would prefer he was further advanced. My point is that he is making some reasonable progress this year. If he maintains the rate of improvement, he may end up playing at a level worthy of his drafting position. Heck at the beginning of the year people had him as a complete bust. I think we can all see now that he isn’t a bust.
I’m saying that he will play quite a few AFL games and be very serviceable.
Time will tell.



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I think both can be true, in that we’re now just hoping he makes it. Which would still represent a fail on his draft slot

though we should not forget it’s not his fault where he was drafted, that’s not on him

he’s making progress and hopefully continues it
 
Personally feel that his long term future may be as Browns replacement in defense. Cardio for days to stick with the most dangerous small, loves to tackle and applies manic defensive pressure. I could say similar about Murphy but I feel he's more dangerous around goal than Ned.
 

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PsychoG said:
Personally feel that his long term future may be as Browns replacement in defense. Cardio for days to stick with the most dangerous small, loves to tackle and applies manic defensive pressure. I could say similar about Murphy but I feel he's more dangerous around goal than Ned.
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Nah, it isn't for McHenry, it's just neutering his strengths putting him in the defensive 50 (seeing cardio, and a manic defensive pressure game is a lot more valuable forward than in d50, seeing it helps generate turnovers), and Ned doesn't have the intercept, kicking or running game to impact the other way to make a defensive switch worthwhile compared to that.

Ned is a half-forward (with midfield rotations at most), or he's done for. Right now, I'm pretty confident he's a set and forget half-forward for the next decade. Won't be a star though.

The closest thing to Browns long term replacement that we have at the moment is McPherson. As much as he's having some second-year blues. The same kind of dour player, plus McPherson does have an alright intercept game.
 
I've been on the fence with Ned for some time. While I see some of the deficiencies, I think they are the sort that will be improved with experience. His strengths, running ability and effort, will still be there. Once he has 50-100 games, hopefully it all comes together.

On the weekend I feel like we saw a glimpse of what he can do. In the first 10 minutes or so of the 3rd quarter, Ned played midfield and had a real impact. His pressure helped nullify GWS midfield dominance, whilst he was also collecting possessions. It was just a glimpse, but gave me hope that he can become a very effective mid/HF.
 
Sanders said:
I think both can be true, in that we’re now just hoping he makes it. Which would still represent a fail on his draft slot

though we should not forget it’s not his fault where he was drafted, that’s not on him

he’s making progress and hopefully continues it
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Who in the 16-30 draft region of that particular draft has really moved past”just hoping they make it”? Probably only Duursma and Rowbottom unless I’m missing someone.

I think there’s an argument that it’s a draft that’s yielded about 12 very good players at the top end of the draft and then fell away steeply. McHenry may actually turn out to be a defensible pick, even with hindsight.
 
marvin said:
Who in the 16-30 draft region of that particular draft has really moved past”just hoping they make it”? Probably only Duursma and Rowbottom unless I’m missing someone.

I think there’s an argument that it’s a draft that’s yielded about 12 very good players at the top end of the draft and then fell away steeply. McHenry may actually turn out to be a defensible pick, even with hindsight.
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considering the option to pack up and trade up, there will always be scrutiny on the decision to take the picks to the draft. There is value in use and value in exchange, so if there is more value in exchange then the decision to use deserves scrutiny and accountability
 
marvin said:
Who in the 16-30 draft region of that particular draft has really moved past”just hoping they make it”? Probably only Duursma and Rowbottom unless I’m missing someone.

I think there’s an argument that it’s a draft that’s yielded about 12 very good players at the top end of the draft and then fell away steeply. McHenry may actually turn out to be a defensible pick, even with hindsight.
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Duursma is the main one in that sense - show me a mock draft that had Ned before him? I don't recall any.
 
skittlebrew said:
Duursma is the main one in that sense - show me a mock draft that had Ned before him? I don't recall any.
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I think even if we drafted Duursma I reckon he'd be struggling in our side.

Duursma to me is one of those players who comes across looking better than they actually are because they're playing in a winning side.

I remember a time when GWS were laughed at for drafting Toby Greene over Wingard, but now you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks Wingard is the better player.

Now I'm not for a second trying to compare McHenry to Greene, but just making the point that it could take some time before we actually know whether we got the pick right or wrong.
 
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Mutineer said:
Wingman/outside mid
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I love this call. Our classic Atikns type wingman/outside mid players with theoretically great skills, but also questionable intensity and tackling SUCKS.

It'll be great to have some of these outside types that bring as much energy and effort as Ned does!
 
Sanders said:
I think both can be true, in that we’re now just hoping he makes it. Which would still represent a fail on his draft slot

though we should not forget it’s not his fault where he was drafted, that’s not on him

he’s making progress and hopefully continues it
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I disagree with that. You can only really say if someone fails their draft slot midway through their career and with the benefit of hindsight. Doedee goes okay but didn’t get a game for 2 years. We never failed with his draft slot. And if Ned evolves into a really damaging weapon, we would never have failed his draft slot.


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relapse said:
I think even if we drafted Duursma I reckon he'd be struggling in our side.

Duursma to me is one of those players who comes across looking better than they actually are because they're playing in a winning side.

I remember a time when GWS were laughed at for drafting Toby Greene over Wingard, but now you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks Wingard is the better player.

Now I'm not for a second trying to compare McHenry to Greene, but just making the point that it could take some time before we actually know whether we got the pick right or wrong.
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Greene was pick 11.

Dom Tyson, WHE and Buntine (ouch) were the three taken immediately before Wingard.
 

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marvin said:
Who in the 16-30 draft region of that particular draft has really moved past”just hoping they make it”? Probably only Duursma and Rowbottom unless I’m missing someone.

I think there’s an argument that it’s a draft that’s yielded about 12 very good players at the top end of the draft and then fell away steeply. McHenry may actually turn out to be a defensible pick, even with hindsight.
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Sholl
 
Mutineer said:
Wingman/outside mid
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It's certainly doable, though I'm not a genuine fan of that switch. I don't particularly see the kicking game or the line breaking game I want to see in an outside midfielder. Could be nice as a rotation though, especially as a potential circuit breaker when we're losing control of a match. Ned can be a rather contagious player.

That said, I do doubt there is a position Ned is more suited to then half forward with the right coach. He kind of fits that role snugly with his pressure game, good IQ and sserviceable offensive game. Really looks a Ballyntyne clone though that comparision is pretty lazy.
 
Golumless said:
It's certainly doable, though I'm not a genuine fan of that switch. I don't particularly see the kicking game or the line breaking game I want to see in an outside midfielder. Could be nice as a rotation though, especially as a potential circuit breaker when we're losing control of a match. Ned can be a rather contagious player.

That said, I do doubt there is a position Ned is more suited to then half forward with the right coach. He looks born for it (especially if he's running 15-16 km a game, he's likely a psuedo wing anyway).
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Going to enjoy him getting under the pears nose, fun to watch give to King Charlie
 
jackster83 said:
Greene was pick 11.

Dom Tyson, WHE and Buntine (ouch) were the three taken immediately before Wingard.
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GWS had 10 out of the first 12 picks and said at the time that they didn't pick Wingard because they preferred Greene.

Also Wingard was apparently acting like a complete flog to them in his pre draft interviews so that was an issue too.
 
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