Welcome Cam Mooney & Matthew Scarlett

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Seeing you missed it my point instead you decided to attack the poster,it's about the thread was getting a little carried away with 2 part time appointments.

Just because I'm not part of the love fest that everything is great at the club and everything the club does is awesome I suppose that makes me always negative in your eyes.

Refer to post #64. You are negative on every post. Happy to acknowledge a different view but it feels like you get your jollies from putting the kibosh on any positive thing that the club does. If you can provide a better alternative to back up your opinion it would make a big difference rather than simply driving the knife in.
 

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I have no idea if they are up to the task or not.
I would have preferred full time employment and ones with a track record of coaching but they might prove they are up to it.
Like some of the long term assistants from unsuccessful clubs?

I'm rapt they're both having a crack, albeit in a limited capacity. Hope it works out well for all involved.

I remember back in the day when there used to be a bit of swapping up and down the highway between the clubs.
 

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Haven't the foggiest idea whether or not Mooney and Scarlett will end up being quality assistant coaches (who could possibly know right now), but thank Christ they have been appointed for no reason other than we are the most irrelevant and unsexy club in the competition right now and this is a desperatelty needed boost of PR exposure. Considering they are working 1 day a week, the photo opportunity with both of them in Bulldogs polos will arguably end up being the most valuable aspect to these appointments.

To be honest any increase in resources to our footy dept can't be a bad thing. Such a shame we weren't so proactive with our footy dept investment from 2008-2010.
 

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I thought they were both great players and two of my favourites. And I agree it's both good PR for us and good for Mooney and Scarlett themselves to get coaching experience outside of their long term club. And effectively they and our club are dipping their toes in the water. No probs.

But I wonder about a few things. If they are genuinely one a day week coaches, how much how can they actually do during the season? Just reviewing a game properly across each of the forwards and defenders would take many hours.

Geelong have been a great footy club in recent years, but I do wonder about the Geelong-ification of our club with King, Scarlett, Mooney and another guy who worked with Macca at the Dons (Grant).

Time will tell if all this has been a great move, or perhaps otherwise Macca has hired too many guys he knows. The appointment of Hansen and Smith would be a counter argument to the last point.

Thoughts?
 

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They certainly fill a need. Our young backs and young forwards need help. Who better than guys that are succesful and very recently involved in the game.

I Personally cannot see too many negatives with this. I also believe that Scarlett and Mooney are independent thinkers and will not be yes men sycophant types. They will call a spade a spade.
 

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I thought they were both great players and two of my favourites. And I agree it's both good PR for us and good for Mooney and Scarlett themselves to get coaching experience outside of their long term club. And effectively they and our club are dipping their toes in the water. No probs.

But I wonder about a few things. If they are genuinely one a day week coaches, how much how can they actually do during the season? Just reviewing a game properly across each of the forwards and defenders would take many hours.

Geelong have been a great footy club in recent years, but I do wonder about the Geelong-ification of our club with King, Scarlett, Mooney and another guy who worked with Macca at the Dons (Grant).

Time will tell if all this has been a great move, or perhaps otherwise Macca has hired too many guys he knows. The appointment of Hansen and Smith would be a counter argument to the last point.

Thoughts?
I doubt they would be given a comprehensive role like the full-time coaches. More likely it would be some specific skills, tactics and techniques for a handful of players. The f/t coaching panel (or just BM) would review the match and show selected bits to Scarlett, saying "see if you can fix up the way this bloke positions himself" or "work with those six on their set-up and decision making in the kickouts" or whatever. Then the p/t coach takes player x aside (or a group of them) for an hour or two, explains how it's done and sets some training drills (if appropriate). He might keep a file on each player in his care and spend at least 30 minutes with each one going over last week's session and how well it worked on match day. And so on.

I don't see them sitting down for hours on end going through the match video looking for things to fine-tune, unless they happen to have noticed stuff in watching the match live. That's somebody else's job.

I'd be slightly worried about their level of commitment to the WB being 1 day a week and no doubt having other footy interests (media, mates, etc) but I imagine BM will make sure they are professional enough to manage any conflicts of interest.

I'm not too worried about McCartney bringing his mates and former colleagues in. They are people he knows and can trust so it probably reduces the risk, compared to hiring an outsider. Ultimately BM is accountable so I think he should be allowed to bring in almost anybody he likes.
 
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I thought they were both great players and two of my favourites. And I agree it's both good PR for us and good for Mooney and Scarlett themselves to get coaching experience outside of their long term club. And effectively they and our club are dipping their toes in the water. No probs.

But I wonder about a few things. If they are genuinely one a day week coaches, how much how can they actually do during the season? Just reviewing a game properly across each of the forwards and defenders would take many hours.

Geelong have been a great footy club in recent years, but I do wonder about the Geelong-ification of our club with King, Scarlett, Mooney and another guy who worked with Macca at the Dons (Grant).

Time will tell if all this has been a great move, or perhaps otherwise Macca has hired too many guys he knows. The appointment of Hansen and Smith would be a counter argument to the last point.

Thoughts?
I'm a little iffy on this as well.

On one hand, he's bringing in people he knows to be "quality", are good at what they do, and share his views on the style of play and recruiting that Macca holds dear. They are (mostly) from a club who plays our brand of footy the most successfully out of anyone in the AFL, and this is a good indicator.

On the other, however, is bringing in staff that only share this view really a great move? I'm of the opinion that for good group dynamics, someone needs to at least play the devil's advocate; it would be better if somebody actually had a differing view, though. This would allow the other opinions to throw some ideas at Macca and perhaps implement something different on occasion, making us unpredictable and exciting to watch.

I also believe that Macca needs an experienced hand under him to help him find his legs. Not a Macca basher at all but I think our coaching department is lacking big experience. On field we have players like Morris, Murphy, Gia, Boyd, Cross etc to give guidance to the youngsters, but who do we have to do that in the coaches' box? Experience in there wouldn't hurt.

I love these coaching decisions and think they're good ones - however, I still believe that they're only a good core. I'd like to see at least two more additions - an at least somewhat experienced coach/assistant and somebody who is a little more focused on uncontested footy to teach our players to spread from a contest and get themselves in space.
 
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McCartney is trying to recruit a group of "followers' who wont question his methods and tactics. Wins and losses will decide his fate !
 

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But I wonder about a few things. If they are genuinely one a day week coaches, how much how can they actually do during the season? Just reviewing a game properly across each of the forwards and defenders would take many hours.

Geelong have been a great footy club in recent years, but I do wonder about the Geelong-ification of our club with King, Scarlett, Mooney and another guy who worked with Macca at the Dons (Grant).


Thoughts?
I think it is more or less a taste at coaching, to see whether they'd want to pursue a coaching role after a certain amount of time and Macca trusts them; having known them before-hand. It was positive PR though and I certainly don't think it could hurt. I am interested to know some of your thoughts on the appointment of Hansen & promotion of Smith.
 

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McCartney is trying to recruit a group of "followers' who wont question his methods and tactics. Wins and losses will decide his fate !
Further evidence he has his wits about him. Not much point bringing in a one-day a week specialist coach who wants to pull in the other direction.

I agree wins and losses will decide his fate as they do for all coaches, but not in 2013 (unless horrendous).
 
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McCartney is trying to recruit a group of "followers' who wont question his methods and tactics. Wins and losses will decide his fate !
...or maybe Macca is recruiting players who went through the journey with him to eventually win three premierships, who can impart that game plan to young kids, much like they were when they started out.
 

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...or maybe Macca is recruiting players who went through the journey with him to eventually win three premierships, who can impart that game plan to young kids, much like they were when they started out.
I agree D_R_B and would add that McCartney knows what Scarlett and Mooney will do and say - they will impart the messages that McCartney wants our guys to hear and yet will do so in their own way, reinforcing the coaches message every week. This is so smart, ensuring that the messages you want will be the ones your coaching staff will deliver.
 

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McCartney is trying to recruit a group of "followers' who wont question his methods and tactics. Wins and losses will decide his fate !
I don't think this is the case. Rather, I think he has sought out/recruited people who believe in and are proof of his methodology.
...or maybe Macca is recruiting players who went through the journey with him to eventually win three premierships, who can impart that game plan to young kids, much like they were when they started out.
I would go along with this DRB although i don't think it's so much about game plan at this stage but more about the way to play the game (the right way to play (individually and collectively) as coach would have it). The gospel according to Brendan would appear to be contested football across the ground with particular emphasis on contested defence. This pleases me greatly because what you do as a player when you don't have the ball (95% of the time) has been elevated to perhaps the most significant aspect of your game. So all the things that I've watched players not doing for years like chasing, leading, blocking and tackling with any conviction/commitment will become a thing of the past because players like that will either change or go in a short space of time. It will build a strong team culture because team mates are required/expected to go the extra mile for each other.
One thing that appeals to me about McCartney is the unshakeable conviction and belief he has in his methodology as being the basis and ultimately the vehicle for success. It seems to be a conviction shared by a good many successful players.
 
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