List Mgmt. Welcome Coen Livingstone (Category B Rookie)

[ROYAL EAGLE]

I actually find it hard relating him to a modern current AFL player however I am exceedingly tired. His weaknesses are his athleticism and his kicking for goal. His aggression to bust packs and being a very good mark himself are big positives. It might take 4-5 years but if he can then average a goal or so a game, create another each game through bringing the ball to ground for others and handle a little bit of ruckwork then I think that's a serviceable player and a very big benefit to the list.

I don't think he'll be a star and he could very well end up not making it because of the first two reasons but if he were to end up the as the player described that's either best 22 or it's taking one hell of a great FF to hold him out of the side. The only real downside to that type of key forward up front is you need elite pressure from your other forwards around them. They function as a group and you have to cover that athletic weakness.

I also personally think Allen is best from CHF. Maybe a touch deeper than some CHF players with a Waterman or Maric playing more up and back as the third tall.

I have a bit of a money ball approach to the make up of a forward line and what I hope for.
If your 3 talls can average 5 goals between them, your 3 smalls can average 4 goals between them, you can get 4 from midfield and one from your ruck department on average you will have a very successful team.

That's 14 goals. 14.10 each game is 94 points per game. In a more average season where there wasn't such a huge discrepancy between the top couple of teams and the bottom couple like say 2021 that would see you as the second highest scoring side for the year. In 2022 it would have left you as the second highest average scoring side and last year it would have left you third but less than 1 point per game off the top scoring side in the league and the only other higher scoring side didn't make finals.

More to the point if you can consistently break even through the midfield, out tackle your opposition and apply better overall team pressure there are 3 points.

1. You sure as shit are going to win a very large % of games
2. You aren't overly reliant on any single player for kicking goals
3. You sure as shit aren't going to lose too many finals if you kick 94 points. A further example no team last year kicked 94 points in a losing effort in a final. The year before Richmond kicked above 100 and lost by 2 points to Brisbane and Collingwood's score was exactly 14.10 in the prelim to lose by 1 point. Remember however I have made no allocation for rushed behinds.

One thing about Coen as a forward he has always been able to produce a miracle goal
Be it a boundary throw in grab and snap, soccer of the ground
Or a one grab pick up and snap he just gets arsey goals you didn't think he would
Its a good attribute he has shown all through his junior career

 

[Spanna_]

Such an opportunity for him to show what he's capable of against quality opposition and plenty of media attention. We know that big men take time to develop but I hope he can at least show some of his potential against Jackson.

 

[FKASC]

Yeah he wasn't near the level of Freo's rucks. Wasn't too bad around the ground though and kicked a goal. Keen to see how he goes against them 12 months later

Just needs to go full Lycett v Gawn/Grundy and try and negate as much as possible.

 

[Pwani Magharibi]

Really enjoyed the Indigenous All Stars v Freo game, but from an Eagles' perspective the highlight was Coen Livingstone getting such a great opportunity. Plenty of ruck time in what was a high quality game for pre-season. It's fair to say he was well beaten in the ruck overall, but I thought he improved as the game wore on and won quite a few ruck knocks in the second half. He battled the game out well. It was invaluable experience for him and given his age I think we have a reasonable ruck prospect there.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Cracked in all day, and definitely improved as the day went on, laid some good tackles too. Showed some decent footy smarts too.

 

[Lazzas]

I think he did really well, considering his age, experience and going up against two Freo rucks. Competed on the deck as well, you could also see him getting on hi bike running forward, Minis game plan.

 

[MaxHunt]

Cracked in hard. Looked exhausted most of the 2nd half.

 

[Obeanie1]

Stats interesting.

Coen played 10% less than Jackson.

Similar stats bar Coen laying 6 tackles to 1.

Id take that as a positive sign for a 19yr old. Held his own against several bigger and more established rucks. Hopefully he takes on the experience and keeps building.

 

[jesterwester]

Hopefully he takes a lot out of the game yesterday, in particular to positioning and the work off the ball. But did well, I thought to make sure to halve the ruck as best he could.

Hard to think he’s not 20 until May. Still plenty of time to settle into his body and realistically should get stronger and faster. So much to work with.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Certainly could be a good player in the future, a project-player for the next couple of years.

 

[Bighitwaters]

When he was drafted, he was 200 cm. Do those in the ‘know’ think he has grown a few more centimeters?

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Love his HickGod energy.

 

[javaguice]

Bit of muscles and look out

 

[WA footy mad]

People on this forum where saying delist him, i think he will have a very good career just needs time.

 

[javaguice]

I liked what I saw from him