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Welcome Welcome National Draft Pick #44 - Myles Poholke

Discussion in 'Adelaide' started by deaneus, Nov 25, 2016.

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  1. James_37

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    Certainly some similarities there to how Poholke has been described, if he turns out as good as Parker we'll be laughing!!!
     

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    rested for one week ......EFA
     
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    Someone's getting a phonecall from a development coach and a welfare officer in the morning
     
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    I am wondering about the Lyons trade and the strategy behind it.

    Did the Poholke recruitment result out of general plans or a specific strategy?

    Was Lyons traded out of a (what must be said is a new ) general principle to trade depth or did we specify an opportunity or a blend of the two. Did we identify Poholke and then estimate where he'd be and then figure out how to get there and then try a few things and finally end up with the Lyons trade or did we just intend to turn over some depth, so we lowballed Lyons, got him to move, waited to see what it would return, then in a separate plan, did we identify a list of targets and Poholke was second (or third, or fourth) on that list and the Lyons pick allowed the stars to align (plus possibly selection made by other clubs).

    Will be interesting to see how it pans out. I like Lyons, I think he'll end up a pretty handy footballer by the time his career is over, however, Poholke is an extremely interesting prospect. Already some sort of unit and by his combine, a fair bit of untapped athletic potential. Should reach solid B grade at min, with potential for a fair bit better. Also, the career trajectory will be interesting, could get games very early, but we aren't exactly the easiest team to break into.
     
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    Now this is from mostly the scuttlebutt and posting from here, but it felt like Adelaide didn't rate him and were pushing him out. Offered , to Lyons , a rubbish deal. He asked for a trade. At the same time Gibbs was happening and I felt Adelaide were doing there best for a pick under 30 for him to offer Carlton with 1.

    Once they received the deal they had for Lyons they were then in trouble. Poholke was someone they then hoped would be in that draft area
     
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    At pick 44 you really dont know whos going to be there on your list.
    They undersold Lyons without a doubt. His last years form was worth way more than we got for him.
    As I have said 100 times, we need to bring in someone who is better able to get results at the trade table from a value point of view.
    We gave up the best player in the game last year for a mid first and second round pick. Its an issue.
     
  10. Danger in Texas

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    I'm definitely of the opinion we should have been harder re: Lyons at the trade table. We gave up 32 for Seed, who played less footy in 2015 than Lyons did this year. We should have got at least that, IMO.

    That said, I think we've got our value back plus some with Poholke.
     
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    Thing is, Lyons is a dime a dozen.. Seed has a specific skill set that breaks zones apart (65m boot) as seen by his Anzac Day medalist performance in 2015, Lyons isn't capable of that.
     

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    Gather we decided we are going to play players with greater upside than Lyons... so was in his best interests to move as he is a solid contributor. Good luck to him at a gold coast.
     
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    Yeah you've hit the nail on the head. Upside buys you a lot, Lyons is a solid footballer, but lacks upside. I think we got done a bit, but probably not by much. I was hoping a pick in the 20's, but really it would have need pants down laps around the table stuff.

    At the end of the day I'm not too fussed, Lyons might have a reasonable career with GC, but i doubt we'll be ruing the day we let him go, similar to Wright and Kerrige.
     
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    True, but I think Seedsman has been dining out on that Anzac Day performance for a fair while now. He needs to start producing that more consistently if he's going to last in this game. I do rate him as a player, but needs more consistency.
     
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    Wanting more is not going to get you more, the deal was done on the last day which tells you they held out hoping to get a better offer, but if no one is willing to pay more, then you are not going to get more.
     
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    Why do other teams consistantly get more?
     
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    Confirmation bias, there's 17 other teams, there will always be deals that are better when you are comparing yourself to the entire field. There are also deals that are equally worse if you are looking for them. But the victorian teams have an advantage of being able to swap players between each other with less player objection, so they are more able to shape better deals.
     
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    I agree. If anything I have a bias towards Seedsman as he was a Vic player in a Vic team that wanted to come to us. But I have heard the term vanilla player used regularly on BF and this guy is looking more and more vanilla every game. He does have the bonus of a long kick flavour topping ;). This guy really needs to show a footy brain now. Has weapons but no mass destruction.
     
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    I don't know how hard you can push at someone who you are actively looking to trade.

    Had Lyons jumped before being pushed you may have a point, but odds are he was pushed which does lower worth dramatically.
     
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    He requested a trade quite late in the trade period though, there was not much time to negotiate. Had he requested one earlier, and had longer to push for a better deal, who knows what pick we may have got.
    This is a fair point. Sounds like we really didn't want him anymore, which is quite strange given he played 20 games for us last year.
     
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    True, that said it felt like a "get something whilst we can" move from us. Lyons did play 20 games, but arguably was the most in danger of losing his spot seeing he was in one of the forward mid roles; especially as we expect Milera/Knight/Menzel etc to push on.

    The other position available is a pure inside midfielder, but even then he's behind Matt Crouch and offers no real point of difference to him.

    He was in no mans land, and had no hope of getting out of that here bar injuries.
     
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    Lets compare what West Coast got for Judd, what GWS got for Trelor and what Collingwood got for Beams to what we got for Danger.
    Lets compare what we gave up for Seedsman and Hampton vs what we got for Lyons.
     
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    I do agree that he would have been pushed out of our side during this year, with the likes of Knight (who I reckon will play Lyons' forward/mid role this year) coming through. I'm fine with him being traded as well, gives us more currency to pick up a player with greater upside (like Poholke).

    All I think is that we could have made it a bit less of a 'get something whilst we can' move. Surely someone who has played 20 games in a season, and has proven to be a good performer at AFL level, is worth more than an early 3rd round pick, even if their upside isn't great? Heck, Trent West got to Brisbane for pick 41 in a draft that has proven to be one of the stronger ones in recent years (2013).
     
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    Not unlike Matt Wright in some ways who we delisted...:eek:
     
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    Go look at Wright's 2015 stats, compared to Lyons' in 2016. There's your answer :p