Player Watch Welcome to Hawthorn, Denver Grainger-Barras

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[Slysh]

Wasn't even slightly concerned but still nice to lock him away!

 

[KermitJagger]

Good extension, good for Denver to get a few years of certainty and good for us to get him locked in for a decent sized term to gauge how he develops.

Contracts really should be 4 years to start with for 1st rounders imo.

 

[MrPremiership]

DGB has embraced Hawthorn, and Hawthorn has embraced DGB.

 

[Bugs1977]

Good extension, good for Denver to get a few years of certainty and good for us to get him locked in for a decent sized term to gauge how he develops.

Contracts really should be 4 years to start with for 1st rounders imo.

I agree with you but I'd be surprised if the AFLPA would sign off on that. Maybe a happy medium of 3 years first up should be the go but I we all know the AFL loves a lot of player movement unless its happening to GWS or GC. I guess this is the reason for the shonky ambassadorial deals.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

DGB has embraced Hawthorn, and Hawthorn has embraced DGB.

DGB4HFC!

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Great news. Was worried if he struggled to get as much senior game time as he wanted this year, that the WA clubs would come and try to unsettle him.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Good interview, this, across a number of topics to do with himself and the club.

 

[local hack]

Cornes is a rampant flognuts but let’s hope he is on the money with this one. Massive year coming up for DGB

Young Hawk tipped to be the “best player” out of the 2020 National Draft

The defender managed five games in his debut season.

www.sen.com.au

 

[HawthornHawk]

Only saw snippets of the game- how did this guy fare?

 

[Brishawk]

Only saw snippets of the game- how did this guy fare?

Was ok. I think he tried to me more accountable to his direct opponent. Didn’t get a lot of it but wasn’t getting tourched by his opponent after over committing to a contest like last week

 

[Jazzfan]

Was ok. I think he tried to me more accountable to his direct opponent. Didn’t get a lot of it but wasn’t getting tourched by his opponent after over committing to a contest like last week

I don't know mate. I watched and I thought he was incredibly lucky his opponent, think it was Soldo and/or Nank resting, droped a couple close to goal they should have marked. He seemed too worried by them and failed to kill the ball, they just dropped the marks.

I think Balta got him a few times a bit to easy on the lead if honest. And I loved his attack on the ball, but he let one bounce past him for an easy goal at one point.

Perthaps in the WAFL he was allowed to be less focused on one-on-one defending, as he looked pretty awkward yesterday for mine being asked to do that.

I might sound harsh, and it's too early to judge him, but right now, I think he's a fair way off AFL footy. I don't think it would have been an enjoyable review with his line coach after yesterday.

 

[Brishawk]

I don't know mate. I watched and I thought he was incredibly lucky his opponent, think it was Sold and/or Nank resting, droped a couple close to goal they should have marked. He seemed too worried by them and failed to kill the ball, they just dropped the marks.

I think Balta got him a few times a bit to easy on the lead if honest. And I loved his attack on the ball, but he let one bounce past him for an easy goal at one point.

Perthaps in the WAFL he was allowed to be less focused on one-on-one defending, as he looked pretty awkward yesterday for mine being asked to do that.

I might sound harsh, and it's too early to judge him, but right now, I think he's a fair way off AFL footy. I don't think it would have been an enjoyable review with his line coach after yesterday.

I won’t argue but I don’t think it was all bad from him. I’m not giving him a glowing report either

 

[Gut Runner]

I guess you can't have 2 intercept floaters in the team now that Sicily is back so DGB has to do a lock down role. Hopefully he gets it right and finds his way to becoming a regular 22 - not stressed at this stage as can take time for KP players.

Less ridiculous kamikaze yesterday at contests which was pleasing at least.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Just wondering where we all see DGBs ceiling at?

Is it a skilled interceptor across half back who can rack up disposals and generate attack out of defense ala Jake Lever

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Jake Lever

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.3

3star

MG

242.0

4star

D

9.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

3.1

2star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

145.4

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

189.8

4star

/Jack Scrimshaw

14

Jack Scrimshaw

Age

25

Ht

194cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

200.7

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.3

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

167.0

3star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

155.6

3star

or more of a pure lockdown full back ala Harris Andrews

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Harris Andrews

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

151.7

2star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

94.0

2star

?

One worry I have is that he appears to be in between these two types. He is not big enough to be a lock down full back and he doesn't seem to have the aerobic capacity or skillset to play the floating half back role.

In fact the player he reminds me off the most is Stratton, a lockdown back who can play on the mid sized second or third string forwards.

Early days I guess but to me he seems a long way off being AFL standard (relative to Ward who I think could play 22 games for us this year).

 

[burger09]

Still finding his feet. He will probably take another season or 2 to be physically ready. Hopefully he will continue to show glimpses of what he could be.

Gorilla defender is unlikely. Interceptor/3rd tall more likely.

 

[TylerDurden]

Does he get picked r1? Line ball based on form now.

 

[daniel23]

Does he get picked r1? Line ball based on form now.

I think he misses he hasn't done enough. If frost is injured or out of form he takes his spot. Until he puts on weight he is going to struggle to compete 1v1. Still very big on him I just think for where we are at there is no need to throw him to the wolves.

 

[burner1]

Seems a fair way off. Struggling defending other talls, lacking poise in contest. Needs a fair few kgs. We have better interceptors so he’s not going to get in side playing loose man etc. Was meant to be a freak athlete but not really showing it yet.

Thought gibcus looked better but very early days for both. A full season of vfl may be good for him.

 

[almuz]

Not too concerned - defenders take ages to put everything together. Once he’s had a few preseasons in the legs for match fitness and in the gym for soize, he’ll combine that with his attack on the ball and Bob will be your dad’s brother

 

[rei154]

Does he get picked r1? Line ball based on form now.

IMO no.

I think he'll be picked sporadically throughout the year based on matchups to start whilst he builds confidence/size.

 

[Brishawk]

Does he get picked r1? Line ball based on form now.

Bring back hartigan and drop him I think. I’d be willing to go in with hartigan and sics as our only kpd at times. If you can play only two kpd it means we can have a heap of run from defence and I think that brings our tall forwards into the game a lot more. Having 3 kpd reduces that but some/most weeks we will be forced to do it.

 

[Slainte]

If the priority is winning games this year, we play Frost or Hartigan ahead of DGB. If we want to contend in 2-3 years, we play DGB now. He is green, but has a go and is on a steep learning curve. He will learn a lot more playing AFL tham playing for BH.

 

[SSSSSS]

If the priority is winning games this year, we play Frost or Hartigan ahead of DGB. If we want to contend in 2-3 years, we play DGB now. He is green, but has a go and is on a steep learning curve. He will learn a lot more playing AFL tham playing for BH.

Don't want a Zac Dawson/Schoey situation of throwing guys in when they aren't ready for the grade. Confidence killing stuff especially for a defender.

DGB is infinitely more talented than the above and is made of the right stuff but let him earn his spot.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

I might sound harsh, and it's too early to judge him, but right now, I think he's a fair way off AFL footy. I don't think it would have been an enjoyable review with his line coach after yesterday.

i would've hoped it was an extremely enjoyable film session, if somewhat uncomfortable

when you want to be the best, for many there'd be nothing more enjoyable than being able to pinpoint your mistakes and understand how you can improve your game and actually observe your progression