Ultimate Glory Welcome to Hawthorn, Jaeger O'Meara

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People liked this post??? Clarko's comments are contradictory and uncertain. There is nothing positive in it whatsoever. Closing in quickly on 3 years without hitting the park.
Clarko spoke brilliantly, he always does. But when pressed on O'mera he didn't sound positively convincing that we will be seeing him anytime soon imo, I could be wrong but his message was a fair bit different to the narrative out of other parts of the club.

One thing is for certain, he won't be back after the bye for Adelaide, I don't think he'll back back within 6-8 weeks simply due to the "he doesn't pull up well the next day" comment. To me, even though he said it has nothing to do with the patella screams out that there are adverse reactions from his patella injury anytime significant work gets placed on him.
 

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Clarko spoke brilliantly, he always does. But when pressed on O'mera he didn't sound positively convincing that we will be seeing him anytime soon imo, I could be wrong but his message was a fair bit different to the narrative out of other parts of the club.

One thing is for certain, he won't be back after the bye for Adelaide, I don't think he'll back back within 6-8 weeks simply due to the "he doesn't pull up well the next day" comment. To me, even though he said it has nothing to do with the patella screams out that there are adverse reactions from his patella injury anytime significant work gets placed on him.
you keep saying you want him to play but you wear a large tin foil hat when it comes to reporting of how Jaeger is doing
 
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It reads worse than how it came across live. He was honest and upbeat about getting him back when he is ready.
Cheers. Been away have not seen the comments or this weeks game. The written version warrants an apology from Clarko.;) Scary!

Settling back down and taking a few deep breaths now. It is looking pretty crucial to our on field (and his own) future that he gets himself ok.
 

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Cheers. Been away have not seen the comments or this weeks game. The written version warrants an apology from Clarko.;) Scary!

Settling back down and taking a few deep breaths now. It is looking pretty crucial to our on field (and his own) future that he gets himself ok.
Yeah, nothing has changed. He'll play when he is ready and the medicos are happy.
 

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For every Zac Merret there's 10 Kieran harpers.

The draft outside the top few picks is a crap shoot and even at the very top there's no guarantees.

They all sound great in pre-draft profiles though.
Stats show you have a significantly greater chance of recruiting a 200+ game player with a top 10 pick. It also becomes exponentially more difficult to pluck a superstar out of the draft the further down the order you go. There are exceptions like Sam Mitchell & Dane Swan, but they are a very much a rarity and not the norm. Its also next to impossible to recruit elite KPP talent outside of the first round - I bet you're pretty glad we spent that 1st rounder on Ryan Burton right?

The draft is indeed a crapshoot to some extent, unfortunately it is almost impossible to build a Premiership-caliber list without a requisite amount of 1st round balls in the lottery. Particularly when it'll be necessary to go through GWS to win a flag for the next 5+ years, and they have a team full of 1st rounders. Perhaps if we had COLA like Sydney or obscene luck with father/sons like Geelong & Bulldogs things would be easier. Free agency also offers another means of acquiring elite talent, but will never provide enough FAs to propel a team into Premiership contention unless the core of talent (with the right age mix) is already there.
 

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Stats show you have a significantly greater chance of recruiting a 200+ game player with a top 10 pick. It also becomes exponentially more difficult to pluck a superstar out of the draft the further down the order you go. There are exceptions like Sam Mitchell & Dane Swan, but they are a very much a rarity and not the norm. Its also next to impossible to recruit elite KPP talent outside of the first round - I bet you're pretty glad we spent that 1st rounder on Ryan Burton right?

The draft is indeed a crapshoot to some extent, unfortunately it is almost impossible to build a Premiership-caliber list without a requisite amount of 1st round balls in the lottery. Particularly when it'll be necessary to go through GWS to win a flag for the next 5+ years, and they have a team full of 1st rounders. Perhaps if we had COLA like Sydney or obscene luck with father/sons like Geelong & Bulldogs things would be easier. Free agency also offers another means of acquiring elite talent, but will never provide enough FAs to propel a team into Premiership contention unless the core of talent (with the right age mix) is already there.
the players with the obvious physical tools tend to go early
two or three types that go late succeed most often

late bloomers
injured as a junior
guys with absolute hunger
 

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Saw the interview and love Clarko's view on things and he clearly has a long term view in terms of developing our list towards our next flag.

On O'Meara's knee though I'm not so positive. The fact they can't load it up fully without consequences is a real worry.
The stats on longevity and returning to previous levels of performance after a patellar tendon surgery are not very good when compared to ACL surgeries.
Athletes commonly have reduced levels of power, speed and explosiveness even after achieving a high level of function in the joint.
Also puts the bone bruising issue to bed.

I really hope O'Meara turns into a star for us as my wife(she is a level 4 specialist sprints coach)has been banging on about how Hawthorn stuffed up with this trade and he'll never be the same. And I really don't want her telling me she was right for the next 10 years.
 

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what has changed? before Clarko spoke it was after the bye he's doing a training block
after Clarko spoke it was after the bye he's doing a training block
No, they said he is doing a mini pre-season now with the thought for a return after the bye. It wasn't said he's doing the training block after the bye, that's nonsense.
 

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Sorry to say it, but the amount of speculation going on about this guy is absolute rubbish.

Yes, he's been injured. But I back the opinion of Andrew Russell and co a million times more than keyboard warriors lamenting a draft pick.

We've invested in him for a decade of excellence. If he takes 3/4 of a season to get his groove back, who cares?
2 years and 3/4 of a season out of football to be exact. This is what casts a shadow and feeds speculation as to his future. I think that would be the case for just about anyone playing top flight footy let alone someone who a lot is expected from.
 

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Saw the interview and love Clarko's view on things and he clearly has a long term view in terms of developing our list towards our next flag.

On O'Meara's knee though I'm not so positive. The fact they can't load it up fully without consequences is a real worry.
The stats on longevity and returning to previous levels of performance after a patellar tendon surgery are not very good when compared to ACL surgeries.
Athletes commonly have reduced levels of power, speed and explosiveness even after achieving a high level of function in the joint.
Also puts the bone bruising issue to bed.

I really hope O'Meara turns into a star for us as my wife(she is a level 4 specialist sprints coach)has been banging on about how Hawthorn stuffed up with this trade and he'll never be the same. And I really don't want her telling me she was right for the next 10 years.
Bless your wife, just nod and agree with everything she says.. life is simpler that way
 

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This is the part that reads horribly.

Hopefully, like you suggested it was just a bad turn of phrase.
I think it's clear to Clarkson and Co that O'Meara will come good shortly, but they know that it will come in time and he's not willing to make definitive statement on when exactly.

Analyze what he said and how he said it.
There's no way Clarkson uses those words if he was worried that O'Meara was not progressing. He'd be far more guarded than that because he knows the hundreds of thousands of people hanging on every word about JOM.
 

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Luckily for him he plays a possie where he's not required to run 14-17km a game and win footy inside the contest for the majority, and to be fair the guy looks like a cripple when running. Kudos to his freakish ability and football nous, elite in every sense.
 

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There's no point arguing mate....

Remember the "small knock" he got on his "good knee" earlier on in the season and how it was apparently only minor and he wasn't going to miss much football....
I forgot, it was originally said it was the good knee that copped the whack? I could be wrong, but yeah it's a wee bit murky the waters.
 

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the players with the obvious physical tools tend to go early
two or three types that go late succeed most often

late bloomers
injured as a junior
guys with absolute hunger
Finding a gem outside the first round certainly isn't impossible. Looking at the stats your best chance of grabbing a genuine star is within the top 10 rather than the first round, which to me suggests late 1st rounders are slightly overvalued & early 2nd rounders slightly undervalued as people get caught up in the whole "1st round pick" or "2nd round pick" terminology.

What's particularly concerning for us is how long its been since we've had access to top 10 pick talent, which effectively makes low picks in that range more valuable to us than teams like say Melbourne or GC who have plenty of young talent already. The problem with going years & years without truly bottoming out is you end up with a list like Norf's - consistently competitive but lacking the superstar talent needed to be a genuine threat, so while I'm sure Clarko can get us back into finals contention pretty quickly with a couple of FA signings the question is would we be genuine contenders or just making up the numbers.


All these players were taken with 1st round draft picks.
It'd be folly to assume we can afford to ignore the draft or rely on 2nd/3rd rounders.

Roughead
Franklin
Hodge
Lewis
Rioli
Birchall
Hale
Burgoyne
Smith
Frawley
McEvoy
Gibson
Burton
 

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Reading Clarkos comments, they are very contradictory. If it ends up being 3 seasons of next to no football, concerns will be justified.

I wonder how Jaeger is feeling...he came to the club because he thought we were the best option to get his body right. Unfortunately it hasn't panned out. I'm sure self doubt is growing, even with him being a confident man.

At this point I am prepared for it to not work out the way we all hoped, but if it doesn't, I really feel for him. Hate seeing talent wasted through injury.
Fingers crossed he reaches his potential, as much for him as the club.
 

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Luckily for him he plays a possie where he's not required to run 14-17km a game and win footy inside the contest for the majority, and to be fair the guy looks like a cripple when running. Kudos to his freakish ability and football nous, elite in every sense.
I could use subjective observations to make a point of view as well
 

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Stats show you have a significantly greater chance of recruiting a 200+ game player with a top 10 pick. It also becomes exponentially more difficult to pluck a superstar out of the draft the further down the order you go. There are exceptions like Sam Mitchell & Dane Swan, but they are a very much a rarity and not the norm. Its also next to impossible to recruit elite KPP talent outside of the first round - I bet you're pretty glad we spent that 1st rounder on Ryan Burton right?

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So why doesn't it work 95% of the time ?

Why are the Pies, Saints, Suns, Dees, Lions, Bombers etc barely doing any better than us with half our team out ?
 

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I think that too many posters have taken the comment "after the bye" way too literally. "After the bye" may have meant at some stage after Round 13 (ie between Round 14 & 22) .... as opposed to Round 14 in particular. Words are ambiguous & our coaching staff are no fools.

I appreciate Clarko providing an update, but reading what was said I fear the writing is on the wall with Jaeger, if at least for this year anyway. In saying that, if he struggles to play in 2018 it would be safe to suggest he may also struggle to be the dynamic player he once was.

Our season is shot. I accept that. Other than embracing Burton's form, another thing that would give me hope for the future would be Jaeger getting some consistent footy into him. No ... let me change that ... just Jaeger getting some footy into him would suffice at this stage. Footy where he either makes an impact or shows signs that he's still got it in him. Until such time there will be doubt, ridicule & speculation from all & sundry.

Even Jaeger admitted that he understands the hysteria.
 
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