Ultimate Glory Welcome to Hawthorn, Jaeger O'Meara

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I'm getting the feeling this thread is similar to making a punt on the opposition winning.

If we lose (Jaeger doesn't come good) individuals feel good because they predicted it. It we win (Jaeger comes good) then it's happy times all round and not too much was lost (in this case, only opinion and reputation).
 

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I don't begrudge Saints they enabled us to get the trade with GC done. Hard to be mad when they traded Ben McEvoy who was a piece of the premiership puzzle. From that trade Savage is no great loss and Acres whilst capable hasn't become elite.

We need to focus on the long game.


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Yeah you are right not really mad at saints the footy club just their supporters on bigfooty...
 

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I wasn't expecting much from him this year tbh. I'm more hopeful for long term. For those thinking we gave up too much, perhaps, but it also says to other players out there that if you want to be at Hawthorn and Hawthorn want you, that the club will do anything to get you.
 

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I wasn't expecting much from him this year tbh. I'm more hopeful for long term. For those thinking we gave up too much, perhaps, but it also says to other players out there that if you want to be at Hawthorn and Hawthorn want you, that the club will do anything to get you.
Wasn't expecting much either but him not even playing is even below those expectations.

Playing at a sub par level I could live with this year with returning to some of his best next year.

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People also bagged the decision to recruit Dayle Garlett and look how that turned out. The club does not always get it right, and lamenting the bad calls it occasionally makes is not a direct assault on the club despite what some here may think.

I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about JOM if he comes good and dominates the way we all hope, but all the evidence to this point suggests that is less rather than more likely to occur. The price we paid for him given this year's likely ladder position was/is also obscenely high regardless of how he performs and that is something that unfortunately won't change. I'm not about to pretend the price was reasonable just because I hope to see him accomplish great things in a Hawthorn jumper, exactly what would that accomplish?
Will one post really do it though? For the nearly hundred it seems you are leaving by the wayside for us to have to read over and over again - truly it's torturous....
How about you count up the number of 'shit we were stupid, he's a cripple and will never be good' posts you've strewn, and promise to make as many reminding us of your wrongness' if he turns out to be a ripper choice?
At least that way the universe will be more in balance.;)
 
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Anytime you invest in anything in life and the investment doesn't pay dividends as you like then you get concerned, when the investment doesn't make it out of 1st base at its infancy it's hard to imagine it maturing.

My old man and a few friends spent quite a bit of cash on a colt, they went to the sales with a trainer, picked up a beautifully bred Lohnro boy out of stakes winning mare however when being broken in he showed some sligh ligament damage. Trainer and staff said not a worry, 6 months in the paddock on a restricted training program with regular physio and we've got a bargain.

2 years later, dozens of break downs and 100s of thousand dollars later he is now a pet for one of the stakeholders kids.

Moral of the story, JOM isn't to different to a race horse and like those that invest in horses, a lot of the time they don't make the race track. No-one can deny the deal is looking extremely unfavourable at present, and the problem a large amount of supporters have is the total investment made by the club, that's what really puts this deal in the spot light.

Whether the liberal group of posters on this board like it or not the footy club brought the heat on them themselves. The one thing I am gathering from this thread is every single damn poster is desperate for Jags to have a successful career, that's not in question, what's in question and what is being dissected is the amount that we needed to give up to facilitate it.
Lohnro never upgraded the mares he covered so at least your old man started out with him the right way with a stakes winning mare.
 

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Semantics. Where we finish will determine the value of an asset we gave up to recruit JOM.
Wrong. We knew exactly what it was worth to us at the time. It was a future first round pick. Getting a player in one year early has greater benefits to the team than a player in the next draft. If you had pick ten in 2017 and pick 10 in 2018, all things being equal, you would never give up the 2017 pick for 2018 because getting players in sooner is more valuable than getting them later. It's an extra year of development that exists for the players whole career. You need to understand that in order to understand the decision to trade future picks.

I have no idea why you feel you need to bring up this argument every week only for the same arguments to be made against you. The pick is not going to come back. Sooking about it is not going to make you or anyone else feel better about things. Move on already.
 

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Question to those people saying " I wasn't expecting much in 2017 anyways" Surely your not expecting much in 2018 either ? Considering its every chance he would have only played about 5 senior games in 3 seasons.
 
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Wrong. We knew exactly what it was worth to us at the time. It was a future first round pick. Getting a player in one year early has greater benefits to the team than a player in the next draft. If you had pick ten in 2017 and pick 10 in 2018, all things being equal, you would never give up the 2017 pick for 2018 because getting players in sooner is more valuable than getting them later. It's an extra year of development that exists for the players whole career. You need to understand that in order to understand the decision to trade future picks.

I have no idea why you feel you need to bring up this argument every week only for the same arguments to be made against you. The pick is not going to come back. Sooking about it is not going to make you or anyone else feel better about things. Move on already.
Question to those people saying " I wasn't expecting much in 2017 anyways" Surely your not expecting much in 2018 either ? Considering its every chance he would have only played about 5 senior games in 3 seasons.
Both you guys just tried to put this thread back on track and went all serious again.
Why?
 

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Anytime you invest in anything in life and the investment doesn't pay dividends as you like then you get concerned, when the investment doesn't make it out of 1st base at its infancy it's hard to imagine it maturing.

My old man and a few friends spent quite a bit of cash on a colt, they went to the sales with a trainer, picked up a beautifully bred Lohnro boy out of stakes winning mare however when being broken in he showed some sligh ligament damage. Trainer and staff said not a worry, 6 months in the paddock on a restricted training program with regular physio and we've got a bargain.

2 years later, dozens of break downs and 100s of thousand dollars later he is now a pet for one of the stakeholders kids.

Moral of the story, JOM isn't to different to a race horse and like those that invest in horses, a lot of the time they don't make the race track. No-one can deny the deal is looking extremely unfavourable at present, and the problem a large amount of supporters have is the total investment made by the club, that's what really puts this deal in the spot light.

Whether the liberal group of posters on this board like it or not the footy club brought the heat on them themselves. The one thing I am gathering from this thread is every single damn poster is desperate for Jags to have a successful career, that's not in question, what's in question and what is being dissected is the amount that we needed to give up to facilitate it.
The problem you have is understanding the concept of risk. If 99 out of 100 bourses sired by lonhro out of stakes winning mares returned positive investments, the rational thing to do is buy the horse. That the horse flops does not make the decision wrong.

Same with jom, you can't judge your decision making process based on one bad outcome. Not that it is time to make a judgment. You make decisions based on information available at the time. Decisions carry risk and may not work out so you do everything to mitigate risks. I'm sure the club was very diligent and had available the best medical advice. What we didn't have is the answer to the million dollar question, how will he respond to the week to week grind. We knew how he will probably respond based on observable soundness of the knee and so we based our decision on that. Even if this doesn't work out, claiming it is simply the wrong call to have recruited him is actually saying you don't value rational decision making because based on the best available data jom was the right call.
 
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The problem you have is understanding the concept of risk. If 99 out of 100 bourses sired by lonhro out of stakes winning mares returned positive investments, the rational thing to do is buy the horse. That the horse flops does not make the decision wrong.

Same with jom, you can't judge your decision making process based on one bad outcome. Not that it is time to make a judgment. You make decisions based on information available at the time. Decisions carry risk and may not work out so you do everything to mitigate risks. I'm sure the club was very diligent and had available the best medical advice. What we didn't have is the answer to the million dollar question, how will he respond to the week to week grind. We knew how he will probably respond based on observable soundness of the knee and so we based our decision on that. Even if this doesn't work out, claiming it is simply the wrong call to have recruited him is actually saying you don't value rational decision making because based on the best available data jom was the right call.
The comparison between Lohnro and JOM here is a positive one as most of Lohnro's stock are best kept fresh between runs and are not over worked on the training track between races.
Now did JOM's mum ever win a stakes race?

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Moving on ;):thumbsu:
 
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I don't know what's worse/more annoying to read.

Reading the posters claiming it will be the worst trade ever etc and we are screwed for years to come

Or the posters that claim draft picks are a lottery and who cares that we will miss pick 2, 3 4 or whatever it may end up being

Both sets of supporters are as bad as each other.

Firstly this is half a season into this trade. How anyone can claim this will be the worst trade in our history or that it will cripple us etc is beyond me. Give it time!! Then make judgements but don't make out like JOM is done and dusted and we will never get anything out of him and we are screwed etc. Ridiculous.

Secondly the other supporters who are just as bad who claim that for every Bontempelli or Josh Kelly that there is a Kosi or a Cale Morton or whatever. This argument is so poor. Look at where Hodge, Buddy, Lewis, Roughead, Burgoyne, Birchall and Cyril came from in their draft. We were a powerhouse primarily due to the elite talent we got through early picks.

Yes we got it wrong sometimes with Ellis and Dowler but when you nail it a few times like Buddy Cyril Rough etc then that's usually all you need to propel up the ladder. Along with good management etc. There is still luck involved but to suggest that missing out on pick 2 or 3 isn't going to hurt the club is just as ridiculous as claiming JOM won't come good. Look at our best young kid in Burton. Late 1st rounder who was touted a top 5 pick pre injury.

Sick of seeing both extreme sides of this. Some balanced discussion would be nice. Or just leave the "omg we are screwed JOM is stuffed" and the "who cares drafts are just a lottery anyway...kosi ellis blah blah blah" out of it as both are as stupid as the other.

Rant over.

On topic love you JOM, do what's necessary to get yourself right and can't wait to see you back out there

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But the worst of all of them is the poster that whinges about all the other types of posters. By an absolute street. :)
 
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