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Give him a run with roll for a few weeks. Let him learn a few things chasing the oppo best mid around. He's great around the footy with his tackling and pressure and it'll give him some purpose.

Kicking and clean hands are the issues at the moment.
 

Billyc

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Give him a run with roll for a few weeks. Let him learn a few things chasing the oppo best mid around. He's great around the footy with his tackling and pressure and it'll give him some purpose.

Kicking and clean hands are the issues at the moment.
I agree with this. Take the pressure of ball winning and ball use off him for a while and develop his defensive game. I know Clarko has always resisted pure tagging but I think there’s a role for it and Worpel should be given a 4 week stint at it.

I don’t agree with dropping him. He’s a developing player and leader and this is a development year. We should be backing him in but offering opportunities to develop new skills. I reckon tagging is the place to start
 

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rogiebear93

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11 to worpel’s 3 according to the AFL app 😳
He's not a defensively minded midfielder. I'm sure if we start preparing Worpel to be that guy, he will do a serviceable job - but of course throwing him on the form guy on the field at the start of the last quarter with no prep wasn't gonna work.

I am worried about him though. He's really struggling to co-exist in a midfield containing Titch, and he can't find consistency outside of the midfield. Maybe Sam's commitments to the VFL side aren't allowing him the 1:1 development time he used to get?
 

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Starting to get concerned about him now. I hope he keeps playing and works through it.

I don't understand this nonsense about playing out of position or Titch and him not able to work together. The Dogs are full of midfielders but they all still manage to find the pill.
The difference is all of Smith, Bontempelli, Lipinski, Macrae, Treloar, Hunter etc. are more dynamic (inside/outside). It's more so that Worpel/Mitchell play very much inside and don't have the speed to explode out of the contest in the same way. I agree with elements of what you're saying though. Petracca/Oliver/Viney are inside bulls (albeit Oliver/Petracca more explosive) and manage to rotate through.
 

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The difference is all of Smith, Bontempelli, Lipinski, Macrae, Treloar, Hunter etc. are more dynamic (inside/outside). It's more so that Worpel/Mitchell play very much inside and don't have the speed to explode out of the contest in the same way. I agree with elements of what you're saying though. Petracca/Oliver/Viney are inside bulls (albeit Oliver/Petracca more explosive) and manage to rotate through.
The disappointing part is the coaching group has had 18 months or so to get the mids to gel better, and it isn't clicking yet
 

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The difference is all of Smith, Bontempelli, Lipinski, Macrae, Treloar, Hunter etc. are more dynamic (inside/outside). It's more so that Worpel/Mitchell play very much inside and don't have the speed to explode out of the contest in the same way. I agree with elements of what you're saying though. Petracca/Oliver/Viney are inside bulls (albeit Oliver/Petracca more explosive) and manage to rotate through.
Libba can only play one role. Dunkley is another contested bull when playing in the middle. They co-exist together.

Obviously it helps having Macrae, Treloar, Smith, Hunter and the Bont that can also play that outside role too. But they still manage to not get in each other's way.

Many teams have multiple primary hardball winners and make it work.
 

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Libba can only play one role. Dunkley is another contested bull when playing in the middle. They co-exist together.

Obviously it helps having Macrae, Treloar, Smith, Hunter and the Bont that can also play that outside role too. But they still manage to not get in each other's way.

Many teams have multiple primary hardball winners and make it work.
Yeah I agree - I just think the concern is the lack of foot speed possessed by Worpel and Mitchell.
 

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What about training as a small midfield group.

4th year on the list together...plenty of time to plan
Had his Rookie and didn't play substantial minutes in the midfield, second year Mitchell broke his leg, third year covid and now we're just a few months into his 4th year(both dealing with injuries during the preseason) so no they haven't had 4 years together. It's stretching to say they've had one year together.

He's 3 games into his 4th year on the list, people need to chill
 

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A few excuses being made for him which I am not buying. He is not getting enough possessions - period!

17 possessions against Essendon - was pretty much invisible in the first half, 16 against Richmond and 16 against the cats. These a poor numbers for a starting midfielder who at this stage of his career should be averaging at least 25 + a game. Is he simply not able to cover enough ground due to a poor tank or is he getting ahead of himself after a brilliant second season?

I have no idea, but if he puts in another sub 20 possession game this weekend I would drop him to the 2's and bring in Cousins. Cousins is far from perfect but I am confident that his possession output, outside game and ability to hit the scoreboard would currently exceed Worpels....
 

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A few excuses being made for him which I am not buying. He is not getting enough possessions - period!

17 possessions against Essendon - was pretty much invisible in the first half, 16 against Richmond and 16 against the cats. These a poor numbers for a starting midfielder who at this stage of his career should be averaging at least 25 + a game. Is he simply not able to cover enough ground due to a poor tank or is he getting ahead of himself after a brilliant second season?

I have no idea, but if he puts in another sub 20 possession game this weekend I would drop him to the 2's and bring in Cousins. Cousins is far from perfect but I am confident that his possession output, outside game and ability to hit the scoreboard would currently exceed Worpels....
Yes I think time is running short for Worps he needs to lift. He is trying hard but just seems to be haphazard with his kicking and looks a lot like Langford at the moment. Its sad to say but you can't hide the truth
 

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