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[big_rig]

A regular compulsory session or two, one on one with Sammy Mitchell would help. Fixes his kicking and we have a good one.

Is it possible for players to improve their disposal? Logic tells me of course it is, why would their skills upon being drafted be the same level as after years of league footy?

My experience watching footy tells me that their level doesn't change much - their initial level sets the floor and ceiling of where their skills can go from there. Do we know any examples of players that went from poor to decent/good users?

 

[TheFourPillars]

Is it possible for players to improve their disposal? Logic tells me of course it is, why would their skills upon being drafted be the same level as after years of league footy?

My experience watching footy tells me that their level doesn't change much - their initial level sets the floor and ceiling of where their skills can go from there. Do we know any examples of players that went from poor to decent/good users?

Stratton was a very poor user he went to decent in the prime years and then dropped off again when he wasn't spending as much time on it

 

[lyger]

Stratton was a very poor user he went to decent in the prime years and then dropped off again when he wasn't spending as much time on it

Crawf was a good user but not elite when he started out, then noticeably improved and became more damaging after a few seasons.

 

[KermitJagger]

Is it possible for players to improve their disposal? Logic tells me of course it is, why would their skills upon being drafted be the same level as after years of league footy?

My experience watching footy tells me that their level doesn't change much - their initial level sets the floor and ceiling of where their skills can go from there. Do we know any examples of players that went from poor to decent/good users?

Plenty of examples going from poor to good users. Richmond's backline is full of them - Rance, Grimes and Astbury were all at one point absolute butchers. Rance in particular used to have awful turnovers. They worked a bit on that, simplified their options and it makes kicking an easier prospect. It's a lot better to be a good kick when you're taking the best option.

 

[tommyk72]

I also wonder whether learning the game plan might be tougher for mids. As they learn it they really need to focus on whet m should be kicking to, causing some doubt on occasions and mis-kicking.

That doesn’t help good one sided nature though. Hopefully that can be improved (a la Mitchell).

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Is it possible for players to improve their disposal? Logic tells me of course it is, why would their skills upon being drafted be the same level as after years of league footy?

My experience watching footy tells me that their level doesn't change much - their initial level sets the floor and ceiling of where their skills can go from there. Do we know any examples of players that went from poor to decent/good users?

Brad Sewell is the poster-boy for this. Horrendous kick of the footy when he first came to the club. Spent hours and hours and more hours and yet even more hours improving his disposal. Was never pretty but by the end of his career, he was a reasonably reliable kick.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Brad Sewell is the poster-boy for this. Horrendous kick of the footy when he first came to the club. Spent hours and hours and more hours and yet even more hours improving his disposal. Was never pretty but by the end of his career, he was a reasonably reliable kick.

Sheils too
His set shots have massively improved

Maybe even Nash

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Sheils too
His set shots have massively improved

Maybe even Nash

Nash.... miles off still unless he can get back into the senior team and show otherwise...

 

[Hawk Dork]

Nash.... miles off still unless he can get back into the senior team and show otherwise...

you didnt see the set shot from outside 50 ?
No way he would have got that any other time

 

[Zack]

Poor Tom Phillips

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Tom Phillips

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.4

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.5

4star

CL

1.6

4star

D

15.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

CL

0.5

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

7.0

5star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

is copping a lot about his disposal when its better than both Worpel and Mitchells.

Pretty harsh in my opinion. Given his disposal goes over a jam tin and therefore has to come back from a lot further distance.

Its hard to say its bad by Hawthorn standards other clubs I'm ok with. But us currently what the?

 

[offtherails9]

Poor Tom Phillips is copping a lot about his disposal when its better than both Worpel and Mitchells.

Pretty harsh in my opinion. Given his disposal goes over a jam tin and therefore has to come back from a lot further distance.

Its hard to say its bad by Hawthorn standards other clubs I'm ok with. But us currently what the?

Mate you're comparing inside mids skills to a winger.. cmon

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Poor Tom Phillips is copping a lot about his disposal when its better than both Worpel and Mitchells.

Pretty harsh in my opinion. Given his disposal goes over a jam tin and therefore has to come back from a lot further distance.

Its hard to say its bad by Hawthorn standards other clubs I'm ok with. But us currently what the?

No way is it better than Mitchell's.

 

[Hawkas1988]

No way is it better than Mitchell's.

Yep. Mitchell is a better kick than Phillips.

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[Roger Rogerson]

Yep. Mitchell is a better kick than Phillips.

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And decision maker and the ability when hemmed in to get out of it.

 

[Come back Cyril]

You’re overrating smiths disposal. I never thought he was an elite user of the ball. Just had a long peg which he used to aplomb.

Smith's ability to gut a short or difficult target was horrendous. But he did break lines and could roost it 65 which made him extremely valuable.

Agree with most that Phillips is a good honest player, but unless he cleans u pp his disposal he is never going to move the needle for us. Good, cheap pick up overall.

 

[Come back Cyril]

Smith's ability to gut a short or difficult target was horrendous. But he did break lines and could roost it 65 which made him extremely valuable.

Agree with most that Phillips is a good honest player, but unless he cleans u pp his disposal he is never going to move the needle for us. Good, cheap pick up overall.

*hit a short target

 

[Milkshaker]

Poor Tom Phillips is copping a lot about his disposal when its better than both Worpel and Mitchells.

Pretty harsh in my opinion. Given his disposal goes over a jam tin and therefore has to come back from a lot further distance.

Its hard to say its bad by Hawthorn standards other clubs I'm ok with. But us currently what the?

Its not being harsh discussing ways he can elevate his game? He turns 25 shortly and is entering his prime years. I really hope he has the motivation to improve his kicking (both feet) over the next couple of years, as that, combined with his ball winning ability, would be a huge bonus for the club.

 

[Zack]

No way is it better than Mitchell's.

By foot any body is better than Tom Mitchells he's shocking there is no other way to describe it, unless we are talking about Sam then I'll accept I'm wrong.

 

[Brant]

By foot any body is better than Tom Mitchells he's shocking there is no other way to describe it, unless we are talking about Sam then I'll accept I'm wrong.

That's pretty silly

 

[Hawk_francais]

Tom Phillips

21

Tom Phillips

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.4

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.5

4star

CL

1.6

4star

D

15.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

CL

0.5

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

7.0

5star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

' best abilities seem to be attracting the footy and covering the ground. If he can use his abilities to help us win the midfield contest, he'll keep his spot. Been serviceable so far, but Downie looms large.

 

[satan1]

Ball drop always seems to have him reaching to connect and off balance. Being so one sided probably doesn't help as he gets put under pressure easily.
Hopefully it isn't the hardest thing to fix?

 

[Blackhawk42]

Flip is averaging 21 disposals and 2 tackles a game in his first month in Hawthorn colours.

We could easily say we'd prefer that to be 25 and 4, but we hope more for every player on our list obviously.

He's had a solid enough start to his career with us. I can only see his game improving as the team does over the next couple of years.

The poor disposal that is being questioned isn't exclusive to Tom at the moment. If Downie comes on as we expect and Morrison continues his current run of form then we'll certainly have some solid wing stocks for the next 5-10 years.

 

[MrPremiership]

Flip is averaging 21 disposals and 2 tackles a game in his first month in Hawthorn colours.

We could easily say we'd prefer that to be 25 and 4, but we hope more for every player on our list obviously.

He's had a solid enough start to his career with us. I can only see his game improving as the team does over the next couple of years.

The poor disposal that is being questioned isn't exclusive to Tom at the moment. If Downie comes on as we expect and Morrison continues his current run of form then we'll certainly have some solid wing stocks for the next 5-10 years.

I've been satisfied with his output to date. I think he'll be better against poorer sides, we have had a tough run.

Still think we need to judge new recruits starting their 2nd season. It takes a while to learn our systems.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

you didnt see the set shot from outside 50 ?
No way he would have got that any other time

I don't consider a sample of one as evidence, but hope you are right.

 

[GOHORCS]

Apparently Phillips was good in 2018. It is amazing what can happen in three years. I think we picked the wrong brother.

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