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It's a continual source of bemusement to me that Silvagni was named full-back of the Century
Slow , low-skilled whose stock in trade was lying all over his full forward
Would be surprised if he made a draft cut in 2018
He wasn't even the best Carlton full-back of the Century
I reckon sports scribes and pundits need to have a few cold showers and wait 10 years before bestowing those sorts of honours
 

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Mathew scarlett was the best fullback for mine.
Everyone apart from Richmond supporters think rance is overrated Jordan degoey carved him up in that prelim when he was playing on him, so did cox come to think of it.

I don't think you can compare pavlich and ben king. The pav is only 191 cm undersized for a key position player so I imagine their slightly different but that smaller size did allow pav to win an all Australian as a midfielder so I kind of liked it. But like pavlich he can play both ends of the ground which is useful pavlich spent 7 of his 18 seasons in either fullback or midfield, crazy that he still managed 700 goals. ben king for me has a higher ceiling than pavlich purely because of his height enormous asset to have.
Another thing is ben king is extremely quick for his size allowing for separation from defender and with those long arms.
As far as comparisons go I think hes more eric hipwood.
 
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#53
Mathew scarlett was the best fullback for mine.
Everyone apart from Richmond supporters think rance is overrated Jordan degoey carved him up in that prelim when he was playing on him, so did cox come to think of it.

I don't think you can compare pavlich and ben king. The pav is only 191 cm undersized for a key position player so I imagine their slightly different but that smaller size did allow pav to win an all Australian as a midfielder so I kind of liked it. But like pavlich he can play both ends of the ground which is useful pavlich spent 7 of his 18 seasons in either fullback or midfield, crazy that he still managed 700 goals. ben king for me has a higher ceiling than pavlich purely because of his height enormous asset to have.
Another thing is ben king is extremely quick for his size allowing for separation from defender and with those long arms.
As far as comparisons go I think hes more eric hipwood.
Eric hipwood with less agility but better marking would be a good comparison
 

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#54
Certainly not long enough when you consider NFL players are getting 4/5 year contracts at 20/21 whereas our children get 2 year contracts at 18
It's hardly worth the bother for struggling interstate Clubs TBH
All we're doing is completing their adolescent Football education while they play footsies under the table with Melbourne based list managers
I hope these new recruits are encouraged to study and take courses that are unique to the Gold Coast. A contract extension tied to a study plan would push the need for longer rookie contracts. We talked about this in a previous discussion - Uncle Tom did not complete a course in 8 years, so he would never have made it to the big time if we had a College system.
 

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Do we know who Ben is living with? The two other top draftees? I'm glad to hear he is happy to be there. This one was always a risk, given he said he wanted to stay in Vic, but seems he is doing okay with being in QLD.
 

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Do we know who Ben is living with? The two other top draftees? I'm glad to hear he is happy to be there. This one was always a risk, given he said he wanted to stay in Vic, but seems he is doing okay with being in QLD.
All three with Mark Evans according to Nat Edwards on AFL draft podcast.
 

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#57
Eric hipwood with less agility but better marking would be a good comparison
Without seeing Ben play much I’d guess his footy nous is probably better than Hipwood’s as well, who is an athletic freak but not the smartest footballer I’ve ever seen.
 

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Mathew scarlett was the best fullback for mine.
Everyone apart from Richmond supporters think rance is overrated Jordan degoey carved him up in that prelim when he was playing on him, so did cox come to think of it.

I don't think you can compare pavlich and ben king. The pav is only 191 cm undersized for a key position player so I imagine their slightly different but that smaller size did allow pav to win an all Australian as a midfielder so I kind of liked it. But like pavlich he can play both ends of the ground which is useful pavlich spent 7 of his 18 seasons in either fullback or midfield, crazy that he still managed 700 goals. ben king for me has a higher ceiling than pavlich purely because of his height enormous asset to have.
Another thing is ben king is extremely quick for his size allowing for separation from defender and with those long arms.
As far as comparisons go I think hes more eric hipwood.
Matthew Scarlett wasn't considered for the team of the Century because he hadn't started playing until 2 years after it was named. He was a very good Full-back who pioneered a much more modern style of rebounding defender.
Stephen Silvagni played in an era of legendary Full-forwards - Dunstall, Lockett, Ablett, Carey - and he beat them all, even though he was also beaten by them on occasion. Not the best Full-back ever, but a damn good swingman who kick 10 goals in a game or shut down one of the greats.
But what have we got in Ben King? He's got a couple of inches in height on Fletcher, who was never considered a swingman. He is the same height as Darcy Moore, who is also a swingman, but Moore's dismal 2018 (the Pies lost 6 of 7 games he played, though he replaced De Goey in 4 of the losses) is hardly an indicator. Harris Andrews appears to be the closest contemporary player, yet King's ability appears to have the higher ceiling.

Ben and Max King are two of the tallest non-ruck players in the system. They are already top 3% tallest currently active AFL players, so it begs the question over whether their rucking abilities will be tested at AFL level. Max is a pure Full-Forward, but Ben is going to have opportunities to try out both.
 

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I hope these new recruits are encouraged to study and take courses that are unique to the Gold Coast. A contract extension tied to a study plan would push the need for longer rookie contracts. We talked about this in a previous discussion - Uncle Tom did not complete a course in 8 years, so he would never have made it to the big time if we had a College system.
Uncle Tom was doing a Bachelor of Business at Griffith, as was Jesse Lonergan and Jarryd Lyons. There is definitely no shortage of Griffith students at the Suns - Dave Swallow, Tommy Nic, Sam Day, Peter Wright, Touk Miller, Jack Bowes, Jack Leslie, Henry Schade, Dan Currie ... that's just the ones I know of or can remember (lots of departments!)
 

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