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Snarls Barkley

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Age (Year)Scott WestAge (Year)Marcus Bontempelli
18 (1993)(17 games)18 (2014)(16 games)
19 (1994)(40 games)19 (2015)(37 games)
20 (1995)1st B&F (63 games)20 (2016)1st B&F (63 games)
21 (1996)(78 games)21 (2017)2nd B&F (85 games)
22 (1997)2nd B&F (102 games)22 (2018)(104 games)
23 (1998)3rd B&F (126 games)23 (2019)3rd B&F (127 games)
24 (1999)(147 games)
25 (2000)4th B&F (170 games)
26 (2001)(192 games)
27 (2002)(210 games)
28 (2003)5th B&F (232 games)
29 (2004)6th B&F (254 games)
30 (2005)7th B&F (276 games)
31 (2006)(300 games)
32 (2007)(320 games)
33 (2008)retired (324 games)
 

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Pugz89

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Age (Year)Scott WestAge (Year)Marcus Bontempelli
18 (1993)(17 games)18 (2014)(16 games)
19 (1994)(40 games)19 (2015)(37 games)
20 (1995)1st B&F (63 games)20 (2016)1st B&F (63 games)
21 (1996)(78 games)21 (2017)2nd B&F (85 games)
22 (1997)2nd B&F (102 games)22 (2018)(104 games)
23 (1998)3rd B&F (126 games)23 (2019)3rd B&F (127 games)
24 (1999)(147 games)
25 (2000)4th B&F (170 games)
26 (2001)(192 games)
27 (2002)(210 games)
28 (2003)5th B&F (232 games)
29 (2004)6th B&F (254 games)
30 (2005)7th B&F (276 games)
31 (2006)(300 games)
32 (2007)(320 games)
33 (2008)retired (324 games)
So if he plays every game and we finish top 8, the first final will be his 150th.
 

AjsGuns

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Age (Year)Scott WestAge (Year)Marcus Bontempelli
18 (1993)(17 games)18 (2014)(16 games)
19 (1994)(40 games)19 (2015)(37 games)
20 (1995)1st B&F (63 games)20 (2016)1st B&F (63 games)
21 (1996)(78 games)21 (2017)2nd B&F (85 games)
22 (1997)2nd B&F (102 games)22 (2018)(104 games)
23 (1998)3rd B&F (126 games)23 (2019)3rd B&F (127 games)
24 (1999)(147 games)
25 (2000)4th B&F (170 games)
26 (2001)(192 games)
27 (2002)(210 games)
28 (2003)5th B&F (232 games)
29 (2004)6th B&F (254 games)
30 (2005)7th B&F (276 games)
31 (2006)(300 games)
32 (2007)(320 games)
33 (2008)retired (324 games)

A long time go to yet and I don't want to be disrespectful to West who is a top 10 player (possibly top 5) in our history, but I reckon Bont will overtake him.
 

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Dazb86

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We realistically have another 4-5 years with this midfield in it's prime. Need to get the KPP's sorted for a serious tilt at the flag during that period.
 

ThePhreshOne

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We realistically have another 4-5 years with this midfield in it's prime. Need to get the KPP's sorted for a serious tilt at the flag during that period.
Could push it to 6-7 years given that Bontempelli is only 24 and Dunkley is 22. Macrae is only 25 as well and you'd think he'll be damaging into his early 30s.

That doesn't even take into consideration the other midfielders we've got like Lipinski, Smith and a few more.
 

AjsGuns

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We realistically have another 4-5 years with this midfield in it's prime. Need to get the KPP's sorted for a serious tilt at the flag during that period.
Probably about 7 or so IMO, Bonts only 24 and Dunkley 23 next season - Bonts a top 5 mid and Dunkley a top 20 mid, I daresay at worst B Smith will be a good B+ grader who will support those 2. Macrae will be 26 next season and Hunter 25, but they should be primed for for 5-6 years of that 7 year window and still be ok for the other 1-2. Who knows Macrae might still be in his prime at 31 ,Pendles and West were AA at 31 and Macrae's game isn't taxing like a Selwood. Then we have guys like B Smith West and Lipinski who are in their teens. I assume we will also draft a good mid or two over the next 3-4 drafts. I think 7 years is a pragmatic view to be honest.

Imagine if B Smith does become A grade
Bont, Dunkley, Macrae and B Smith would be the best midfield since 2006 Eagles.

Bit of a shame Ugle-Hagan isn't a year or two older if his as good as people say, since he will probably peak when Bonts 28-29ish.

Anyways, do we think Bont will be captain in 2020?
 
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dogwatch

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It's a good point. A few of them won their B&Fs in very weak sides (winning ratio < 40%) where there wouldn't have been as many strong players competing for the votes.

However the majority actually played in pretty strong sides, even Kevin Murray when he won his first four B&Fs. Fitzroy's decline only started about half-way through his career.

Anyway Bontempelli is certainly right up there among the best of these. Scott West too.

Interesting that only 6 of the 13 have won a Brownlow.

Those who played in weaker sides (<50% win ratio)
  • John Kennedy Sr won 3 B&Fs in his first three years of VFL footy (but he debuted age 21). Hawthorn were absolutely crap back then winning only 9 of the 42 games (about 21%) that he played when he won his B&Fs.
  • Dick Reynolds actually won 4 B&Fs before his 24th birthday and had an extraordinary 5 B&Fs by the time he was 25. He finished his career with 7 B&Fs and 3 Brownlows, so he was some player. However the years he won B&Fs before he turned 24 they had a 21-44 winning record in games he played (about a 32%) so it wasn't a strong side.
  • Bob Skilton had a 16 year, 237 game career and only managed to play in one final when South got smashed by 9 goals in the First Semi in 1970 and Skilton was almost 32 years old. Like Reynolds his honours list was prodigious. He won 9 B&Fs (four before he had turned 24) and three Brownlows. He also led South Melbourne's goalkicking award three times although admittedly the competition wasn't great. In his B&F years his games record was 21-44 (about 32%) identical to that of Dick Reynolds.
  • Ron Clegg played for South Melbourne and had a W-L record of 20-1-32 (about 38%) in the years he won his B&Fs.
  • John Murphy (father of 2005 #1 draft pick Marc Murphy) started his career at Fitzroy toward the end of Kevin Murray's long reign. He shared the B&F with Murray in 1968 when he was only 19 and went on to win 5 of them (four before he turned 24). His winning ratio in those first 4 B&F years was 33-52 (about 39%).

Those who played in stronger sides (> 50% win ratio)
  • Nick Riewoldt won his third B&F just before his 24th birthday. He won 5 over his career. In those games where he won his first three he had a winning record of 36-1-33 or about 51% (closer to 52% if you count the draw as 0.5 wins).
  • Kevin Murray won 9 B&Fs in his career and a Brownlow as well. When he won his B&Fs before the age of 24 (four of them) Fitzroy was doing OK. They had a winning average of about 58% (38-1-27). However by the time he finished his career he had a winning ratio of just over 37% with the Lions, such was their decline.
  • James Hird won four B&Fs, three of them before he turned 24. In those years his winning record with Essendon was 40-3-25 or just under 58% (but just over 61% if you count the three drawn games as 1.5 wins).
  • Marcus Bontempelli sits fairly well in this company. In the games he played when won his three B&Fs (2016, 17, 19) our record has been 42-29 (just over 59%).
  • Scott West won seven B&Fs, three of them before he turned 24. He won those in fairly strong years for the club where the winning ratio in games he played was 42-1-28 pretty much the same as Bont's (just over 59%, or nearly 60% if you count the draw as a 0.5 wins).
  • Des Fothergill had a fairly short but amazing career. I don't know much about him but he debuted at age 16 in 1937 and won Collingwood's B&F that year (by which time he'd turned 17). They were no slouches either, winning 10 out of 15 games and finishing runner-up for the flag. He won their B&F the following year too at the ripe old age of 18 and with 65 goals. That year they again finished second (14W, 7L). He won his 3rd and final B&F early in WWII (1940) at the age of 20. He was Collingwood's leading goalkicker and also won the Brownlow that year in which Collingwood dropped to 8th. He didn't play again until 1945. He only registered another 5 Brownlow votes in his final three years (1945-47) but he still managed to kick 137 goals in 39 games. He was not yet 27 when he played his last game. Who knows what he might have achieved if not for the war and early retirement. His winning record in his B&F years was 32-20 (about 62%).
  • Glen Jakovich had won 3 club B&Fs (and 2 flags) before he turned 23. He finished with four. West Coast's winning record in games he played winning those 3 B&Fs was 46-25 (about 64%).
  • Leigh Matthews was the dominant footballer in a dominant side that won 4 flags during his career. That pretty much says it all but anyway here's the stats. He won 8 B&Fs (three of them before he turned 24) and also led Hawthorn's goalkicking on six occasions in a side that had some high scoring forwards (Hudson, Moncrieff, Brereton, etc). He has the most Brownlow votes of any player not to have won a Brownlow (202) although Joel Selwood needs only 4 votes to overtake him. His winning record in the years he won his first three B&Fs was an astonishing 46-19 or about 71%.
 
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AjsGuns

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He could easily win 10 and I’m not even joking.
He has some serious competition, Macrae & Dunkley will take a few off him I daresay. You need to play almost every game to win due to how the scoring works, I daresay he will have a season or two where he misses 3-4 games and gets pipped.

Also young guys like Naughton & Smith will probably jag 1 or 2 for outstanding seasons.

Would be a phenomenal effort to match West's 7.

He is on the trajectory to be in the same sentence as Grant & Hawkins IMO, top 5 in our club history.

Next 3 seasons will help us figure out his legacy , 1-3 AA's, 2-3 BnF's and a Brownlow or MVP and club captain in that time would pretty much see him #2 behind Whitten for me (considering he would still have another 2-3 peak seasons). Needs to fix his goal kicking for that to happen though.
 
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Footscrazy

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E.J. Whitten was 21 when he won his best and fairest in the 1954 premiership year. Bont was months shy of his 21st when he did the same.

E.J. Whitten became captain in 1957 which depending on dates was 23 or 24. Bont became captain weeks after his 24th birthday.

Bont was also born exactly 100 days after E.J. passed away... :oops:

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stefoid

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E.J. Whitten was 21 when he won his best and fairest in the 1954 premiership year. Bont was months shy of his 21st when he did the same.

E.J. Whitten became captain in 1957 which depending on dates was 23 or 24. Bont became captain weeks after his 24th birthday.

Bont was also born exactly 100 days after E.J. passed away... :oops:

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I dont know why we bothered to reach for a small forward in the draft
 
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