List Mgmt. Welcome Tom Lamb Pick 32 2014 Draft

[the harry]

being an up and comer you probably wouldn't be overly enthused being compared to brown.
And if we turn another exciting forward prospect into a backman I will be pissed

Brown an "exciting forward prospect"? Really?

 

[Dark Sharks]

I daresay he's referring to Browns first year/first game when he looked a good CHF prospect.

 

[the harry]

I daresay he's referring to Browns first year/first game when he looked a good CHF prospect.

He did have a good first game, but played a total of 5 for the year, kicking 2 goals, and none better than the first. Bit of a low bar for "exciting forward prospect".

Plus the slagging off of the club Re turning him into a defender, I hope mattyc75 remembers he did his knee in his second preseason.

 

[eagle eyed]

Very early days. Lamb has certainly put the right foot forward to begin with, but he's far from justifying selection over Blakely.

I still reckon Blakely has the better upside. Lamb has the physical and athletic capacity to impress from day one but there is of course a question mark over his midfield utility. Blakely on the other hand has the scope to become a high quality inside midfielder (IMO). His obstacle to overcome will be his footskills.

Lamb certainly seems a greater asset in 2015 but over the stretch it will be an interesting comparison.

Just what we'd need another Priddis!

 

[dajesmac]

I see it the opposite with Lamb having a far higher ceiling, 193cm 15 beepers with footy nouse and aggression aren't that common. I love the fact he's a hard trainer as well, these are the guys that lift the standard at training like Cuz used to do.

If he becomes a genuine midfielder I would agree with you. But for me I would take the player with the midfield potential.

I'm not writing Lamb off by any means Im just explaining why it's too early for the comparison.

 

[dajesmac]

Surely you've lost this argument now.

I'm not sure I understand. I said Blakey has the potential to become a gun inside mid he just needs to clean up his kicking.

 

[dajesmac]

Just what we'd need another Priddis!

Very different players. Blakey is a much smoother mover and a much better kick.

 

[Underdog]

Very different players. Blakey is a much smoother mover and a much better kick.

Blakely can also find space, Priddis can't. Blakely crashes through tackles, Priddis stands up in them. They are wildly different players.

I still think Blakely is going to be a ripper.

I'm not in the slightest bit interested in comparing the selections.

 

[SpaceClef]

Blakely can also find space, Priddis can't. Blakely crashes through tackles, Priddis stands up in them. They are wildly different players.

I still think Blakely is going to be a ripper.

I'm not in the slightest bit interested in comparing the selections.

Yeah freo have done well to maintain their midfield. Blakely, Weller, Fyfe, Neale, Crozier/Sutcliffe/Sheridan are a pretty good core unfortunately

 

[Chris_6678]

Yeah freo have done well to maintain their midfield. Blakely, Weller, Fyfe, Neale, Crozier/Sutcliffe/Sheridan are a pretty good core unfortunately

Plus Hill and Walters.

 

[SpaceClef]

Plus Hill and Walters.

Fml

 

[kane249]

Fml

Remember though, they will be kicking it to their key forwards of Ballantyne, Walters and Crozier

*Ok yes Tabernener is there as well, but they are screwed for other options.

 

[SpaceClef]

Remember though, they will be kicking it to their key forwards of Ballantyne, Walters and Crozier

*Ok yes Tabernener is there as well, but they are screwed for other options.

Yeah but you can still win a flag with a forward line of spuds, as we've seen a few times in recent decades. KPFs are overrated insofar as many of the clubs with highly rated KPFs over the past 10 years have not necessarily guaranteed finals success.

Plus, they just have to trade in someone readymade and all of a sudden they're sorted.

 

[kane249]

Yeah but you can still win a flag with a forward line of spuds, as we've seen a few times in recent decades. KPFs are overrated insofar as many of the clubs with highly rated KPFs over the past 10 years have not necessarily guaranteed finals success.

Plus, they just have to trade in someone readymade and all of a sudden they're sorted.

Ready made? You mean like Kepler Bradley, Jack Anthony, Chris Tarrant, Scott Gumbleton?

You still need a key forward to kick you goals, Sydney was the only side in recent times who didn't have at least one good tall forward.
2014: Roughead and Gunston
2013: Franklin, Roughead and Gunston
2011: Podsiadily and Hawkins
2010: Cloke and Dawes
2009: Hawkins and Mooney
2008: Franklin and Roughead
2007: Ablett and Mooney
2006: Lynch and Hansen
2005: Hall and O'Loughlin

Majority of those sides had at least one 50 goal a year forward in them. Apart from Pav who is on his last legs, Freo are yet to prove they have that in their young talls. They will need to buck the trend if they want to win a flag.

 

[Chris_6678]

Ready made? You mean like Kepler Bradley, Jack Anthony, Chris Tarrant, Scott Gumbleton?

You still need a key forward to kick you goals, Sydney was the only side in recent times who didn't have at least one good tall forward.
2014: Roughead and Gunston
2013: Franklin, Roughead and Gunston
2011: Podsiadily and Hawkins
2010: Cloke and Dawes
2009: Hawkins and Mooney
2008: Franklin and Roughead
2007: Ablett and Mooney
2006: Lynch and Hansen
2005: Hall and O'Loughlin

Majority of those sides had at least one 50 goal a year forward in them. Apart from Pav who is on his last legs, Freo are yet to prove they have that in their young talls. They will need to buck the trend if they want to win a flag.

They would need Mayne/Tabaner to get 35-40 and their resting ruckman to get at least 20 between them. Problem i see is Pav holding us as he getting older and older. Small forwards like Ballas and Walters as good as they are tend to go missing during finals.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

They would need Mayne/Tabaner to get 35-40 and their resting ruckman to get at least 20 between them. Problem i see is Pav holding us as he getting older and older. Small forwards like Ballas and Walters as good as they are tend to go missing during finals.

They had plenty of shots in their loss to the Hawks. If they kicked straight they could have won. So not sure that is entirely accurate. It helps but it's not essential. Especially since Walters and Fyfe play as legitimate marking targets.

 

[kane249]

They would need Mayne/Tabaner to get 35-40 and their resting ruckman to get at least 20 between them. Problem i see is Pav holding us as he getting older and older. Small forwards like Ballas and Walters as good as they are tend to go missing during finals.

Yep spot on, they are becoming like the Bulldogs were in recent years. Great mids and flankers, but their lack of quality talls saw them never progress past a prelim.

 

[eagle eyed]

They had plenty of shots in their loss to the Hawks. If they kicked straight they could have won. So not sure that is entirely accurate. It helps but it's not essential. Especially since Walters and Fyfe play as legitimate marking targets.

This logic sh1ts me, if Hawthorn had kicked straight they would have won by more! If we'd kicked straight during the season we would have made the 8! Futile really, the result is what it is. Still, Freo ranks their GF loss as the greatest moment in their history, this is closely followed by derby wins, they really set the bar high down there.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

This logic sh1ts me, if Hawthorn had kicked straight they would have won by more! If we'd kicked straight during the season we would have made the 8! Futile really, the result is what it is. Still, Freo ranks their GF loss as the greatest moment in their history, this is closely followed by derby wins, they really set the bar high down there.

Calm down. They didn't. The point is that having only one key forward in Pav didn't limit their ability to get shots at goal. In fact they averaged less possessions per scoring shot than Hawthorn.


Blah blah blah Freo is crap blah blah blah
/for the irrational types

 

[SpaceClef]

Calm down. They didn't. The point is that having only one key forward in Pav didn't limit their ability to get shots at goal. In fact they averaged less possessions per scoring shot than Hawthorn.


Blah blah blah Freo is crap blah blah blah
/for the irrational types

Yeah this.

Ready made? You mean like Kepler Bradley, Jack Anthony, Chris Tarrant, Scott Gumbleton?

You still need a key forward to kick you goals, Sydney was the only side in recent times who didn't have at least one good tall forward.
2014: Roughead and Gunston
2013: Franklin, Roughead and Gunston
2011: Podsiadily and Hawkins
2010: Cloke and Dawes
2009: Hawkins and Mooney
2008: Franklin and Roughead
2007: Ablett and Mooney
2006: Lynch and Hansen
2005: Hall and O'Loughlin

Majority of those sides had at least one 50 goal a year forward in them. Apart from Pav who is on his last legs, Freo are yet to prove they have that in their young talls. They will need to buck the trend if they want to win a flag.

I'd argue that Apeness/Pearce/Taberner have the capability to become Lynch/Hansen, Cloke/Dawes or Mooney/N Ablett.

Also Michael O'Loughlin is shorter than Matt Rosa.

Also Fremantle's defensive gameplan reduces their need to have a 50 goal a year forward in them, as the majority of recent sides have required - Ross Lyon's style 'bucks the trend' by default.

Anyhow, I agree they're no Geelong/Hawthorn complete footy team, and they should have drafted Durdin or Goddard, but I do think they'll be more successful than us for the foreseeable future.

 

[mattyc75]

He did have a good first game, but played a total of 5 for the year, kicking 2 goals, and none better than the first. Bit of a low bar for "exciting forward prospect".

Plus the slagging off of the club Re turning him into a defender, I hope mattyc75 remembers he did his knee in his second preseason.

i guess we are lucky lecras hasn't been moved down back then.Im just saying we have a history of taking promising forwards and turning them in backmen.Usually they do a great job down back but we haven't developed too many good KPFs over the years

 

[mattyc75]

Brown an "exciting forward prospect"? Really?

would hate to think we drafted a KPF at that draft spot who didn't show any promise

 

[eagle eyed]

Calm down. They didn't. The point is that having only one key forward in Pav didn't limit their ability to get shots at goal. In fact they averaged less possessions per scoring shot than Hawthorn.


Blah blah blah Freo is crap blah blah blah
/for the irrational types

My post was not contrdicting your belief that you don't need elite KPF's to win a flag, I was merely stating the fact that conversely if Hawthorn had of kicked straight they would have won by more. Results are results, they can't be changed after the game. If's are just that, if Freo had kicked straight it would have been a different game and maybe the hawks would have lifted and still won.

 

[dajesmac]

He did have a good first game, but played a total of 5 for the year, kicking 2 goals, and none better than the first. Bit of a low bar for "exciting forward prospect".

Plus the slagging off of the club Re turning him into a defender, I hope mattyc75 remembers he did his knee in his second preseason.

He was a first round KPF, I think that's all he meant.

EDIT: Anything else you want repeated that has already been said?

 

[Obeanie1]

This logic sh1ts me, if Hawthorn had kicked straight they would have won by more! If we'd kicked straight during the season we would have made the 8! Futile really, the result is what it is. Still, Freo ranks their GF loss as the greatest moment in their history, this is closely followed by derby wins, they really set the bar high down there.

And this is the point the doomsday cheer squad on here seem to conveniently forget and ignore.

We got the ball inside 50 enough and had more than enough scoring shots but didn't convert. And this is with a so called CRAP midfield.

I wonder how crap that midfield would still be rated if the forwards had of kicked straight and we made finals?

I wonder if Lamb can kick straight? That might solve some problems.