Wells or Walker

[Jeremias]

Quality possesions dont, Wells also had more goal assists which he lead that stat for the Roos, I guess thats "nothing" too huh?

Wells gets the ball more forward of centre, thus is more effective and creates better chances for goals.

True, it's irrelevant that he gets more possies, clearances, inside 50's, polls higher in the Brownlow, more efficient and has more impact on games, but yeah...


You see, this is a pointless stat, who cares if he did well on 2-3 opponents, thats not Wellsys job, he is there to create attack for us and he does it better than Walker destoys an opponent.

You said Walker gets the pill and also stops his opponent, which game which opponent? Show me 3 games where he gets over 20 possies and stops his man from getting 20 aswell.

Bet you cant.

And you wont.


Dont care about different possie BS, everyone in the comp is comparable,how do you think people make their top 50?

Wells has a much better kick than Walker, it's a fact, he gets the pill forward and creates more goal oppoutinities for the Roos than Walker does with the Blues.

Clutch? I tellyou what, ask any normal footy fan whats a better indication of a player.

Stats + Brownlow Votes + B+F ratings or Opinion.

I know which one will win.

And for everyone else, see how he cannot find 3 games this year that Walker has DESTROYED his man and got the pill 20 times?

Funny.

Round 2-Carlton vs Fremantle. Walker 20 possies, Farmer 17.

Round 4-Carlton vs Hawthorn. Walker 21 possies. Opponents: Williams:8 possies, Croad 22 (murdered Lance-when Walker moved onto him he was very quiet)

Round 9-Carlton vs Adelaide. Walker 22 disposals, Bode 16

Round 10-Carlton vs Port Adelaide. Walker 22, Ebert 13/Mahoney 17

There's 4 in the first 10 rounds. Should I keep going? OK, I will.

Round 13-Carlton vs Brisbane. Walker 21, Harding 10/Brennan 8

Round 17-Carlton vs Fremantle. Walker 27, Farmer 13/Crowley 15

Round 18-Carlton vs Melbourne. Walker22, Robertson 10

Round 20-Carlton vs Richmond. Walker 20, Pettifer 18

Well there you go=8 times Walker was able to do this. You didn't think he would do it 4

Once again, I have proved you wrong. Just admit it one day

Try again

I believe the correct word for this circumstance is pwned

 

[Pykie]

So will you think that Walker is better than Wells next year when the Blues finish above the Roos.

I don't think you will, somehow.

Don't talk bull****.

Come back when Wells actually nullifies a star's influence on a game whilst having a big one himself

That might keep CrazyQ off BugFooty for years!

Why would we use Wells as a tagger? Taggers are mainly players with no overall strength's that cant break open games, thus proving our points.

 

[Jeremias]

In fact CrazyQ, you said 3 times. I proved you wrong in the first 9 rounds of the season, and showed that he managed to do it another 7 times!

How embarrassing for you

Pwned indeed

 

[Jeremias]

Why would we use Wells as a tagger? Taggers are mainly players with no overall strength's that cant break open games, thus proving our points.

Umm, your point hasn't been proved. On the contrary, mine has. See the post above yours for the ultimate pwnage!

Bad luck, try again

 

[Pykie]

Round 2-Carlton vs Fremantle. Walker 20 possies, Farmer 17.

Round 4-Carlton vs Hawthorn. Walker 21 possies. Opponents: Williams:8 possies, Croad 22 (murdered Lance-when Walker moved onto him he was very quiet)

Round 9-Carlton vs Adelaide. Walker 22 disposals, Bode 16

Round 10-Carlton vs Port Adelaide. Walker 22, Ebert 13/Mahoney 17

There's 4 in the first 10 rounds. Should I keep going? OK, I will.

Round 13-Carlton vs Brisbane. Walker 21, Harding 10/Brennan 8

Round 17-Carlton vs Fremantle. Walker 27, Farmer 13/Crowley 15

Round 18-Carlton vs Melbourne. Walker22, Robertson 10

Round 20-Carlton vs Richmond. Walker 20, Pettifer 18

Well there you go=8 times Walker was able to do this. You didn't think he would do it 4

Once again, I have proved you wrong. Just admit it one day

Try again

I believe the correct word for this circumstance is pwned

How in the hell can you compare Walker's tagging abilities to Wells's game breaking ones? Point to one roll of film where you see Walker bust through the middle at break-neck speed and put it through the middle from 55. Walker is a good solid player, but Wells is in a different mould, and for that he is alot more damaging, and thus valuable.

 

[Pykie]

Umm, your point hasn't been proved. On the contrary, mine has. See the post above yours for the ultimate pwnage!

Bad luck, try again

How does Walker getting 20+ touches help your team? He ranked 14th in the entire AFL for clangers, hes like Brady Rawlings for North, you cringe when he gets the ball to foot.

 

[Jeremias]

How in the hell can you compare Walker's tagging abilities to Wells's game breaking ones? Point to one roll of film where you see Walker bust through the middle at break-neck speed and put it through the middle from 55. Walker is a good solid player, but Wells is in a different mould, and for that he is alot more damaging, and thus valuable.

CrazyQ asked for it, I delivered. He must be embarrassed.

He has done it quite a few times, especially vs Melbourne. Of course you won't watch it though for fear of it being true. Wells does it more often because that is what his team requires him to do. We required Walker to play defensive and create opportunities many times, and that is what he did, plenty of times, as I have demonstrated.

Wells played as a midfielder, and is thus more valuable. You're right. Stevens was more valuable to us than Fevola...:rolleyes. Horrible logic.

 

[Pykie]

CrazyQ asked for it, I delivered. He must be embarrassed.

He has done it quite a few times, especially vs Melbourne. Of course you won't watch it though for fear of it being true. Wells does it more often because that is what his team requires him to do. We required Walker to play defensive and create opportunities many times, and that is what he did, plenty of times, as I have demonstrated.

Wells played as a midfielder, and is thus more valuable. You're right. Stevens was more valuable to us than Fevola...:rolleyes. Horrible logic.

Lol you misread my logic, im not saying Wells is more valuable because hes a midfielder, hes more valuable because hes more damaging, alot more damaging.

 

[Jeremias]

How does Walker getting 20+ touches help your team? He ranked 14th in the entire AFL for clangers, hes like Brady Rawlings for North, you cringe when he gets the ball to foot.

How does our player getting the ball help us? Please tell me you are not seriously asking this...

Increased possessions usually lead to increased clangers. Just part of the game. Walker had clangers, but so does everyone. For the amount of clangers he had, the amount of times he put the ball to our advantage is more than sufficient. Of course, you wouldn't recognise this...that means Walker was good.

I cringe? No I don't. I rise with excitement at another thrust forward into our forward line. Don't you? Maybe not, you're a North supporter, you may have different expectations of your team-but we expect to score and outscore the opponent. That's normally how you win a game of footy

 

[Jeremias]

Lol you misread my logic, im not saying Wells is more valuable because hes a midfielder, hes more valuable because hes more damaging, alot more damaging.

So you need to be damaging to be valuable?

I hope you are joking...

 

[Pykie]

So you need to be damaging to be valuable?

I hope you are joking...

Once again, you didnt read what i said...

You are more valuable if you are more damaging, and if you disagree with that you are very stupid.

 

[CrazyQ]

Round 2-Carlton vs Fremantle. Walker 20 possies, Farmer 17

.
How many goals did Farmer kick?

Round 4-Carlton vs Hawthorn. Walker 21 possies. Opponents: Williams:8 possies, Croad 22 (murdered Lance-when Walker moved onto him he was very quiet)

How many goals did Williams have?

Round 9-Carlton vs Adelaide. Walker 22 disposals, Bode 16

Not A Grade

Round 10-Carlton vs Port Adelaide. Walker 22, Ebert 13/Mahoney 17

Not A Grade

There's 4 in the first 10 rounds. Should I keep going? OK, I will.

Round 13-Carlton vs Brisbane. Walker 21, Harding 10/Brennan 8

Who? Who are these players? I want good players that you speak of.

Round 17-Carlton vs Fremantle. Walker 27, Farmer 13/Crowley 15

You have mentioned 1 A Grade player the whole time.

Not looking good if Walker can only shut down average players.

Round 18-Carlton vs Melbourne. Walker22, Robertson 10

Robertson was playing with an injury, had a bad year.

Round 20-Carlton vs Richmond. Walker 20, Pettifer 18

Pettifer had 18 possies and Walker DESTROYED him?

Well there you go=8 times Walker was able to do this. You didn't think he would do it 4

Once again, I have proved you wrong. Just admit it one day

Try again

I believe the correct word for this circumstance is pwned

Still havent shown me a game where Walker has DESTROYED an opponent while playing a great game.

The only players worthy are Williams and Robertson.

Round 17 Walker played in the middle mostly aswell.

Now, what is this pwn3d thing again?

 

[CrazyQ]

CrazyQ asked for it, I delivered. He must be embarrassed.

He has done it quite a few times, especially vs Melbourne. Of course you won't watch it though for fear of it being true. Wells does it more often because that is what his team requires him to do. We required Walker to play defensive and create opportunities many times, and that is what he did, plenty of times, as I have demonstrated.

Wells played as a midfielder, and is thus more valuable. You're right. Stevens was more valuable to us than Fevola...:rolleyes. Horrible logic.

Walker did not DESTROY any of those opponents while dominating.

You stated Walker regularly does this, how is playing ok on average players got anything to dow ith this?

I could show you a game where Wells gets 17 possies and plays very well, but thats besides the point.

 

[CrazyQ]

So in the end whats more vaulable?

Winning games or saving them?

Easy question isnt it Jerry?

 

[CrazyQ]

Once again, you didnt read what i said...

You are more valuable if you are more damaging, and if you disagree with that you are very stupid.

Hey, a Pick 2 tagging who has never finished top 5 in a rabble team is more vaulable than a kid at Pick 2 who has him covered in everything, even defensive side of the game (More 1%ers, more tackles etc) who has finished top 5 2 times in only 4 years.

Of course Walker is better, he is one of the leadingclanger kings in the comp.

 

[CrazyQ]

How does our player getting the ball help us? Please tell me you are not seriously asking this...

Increased possessions usually lead to increased clangers. Just part of the game. Walker had clangers, but so does everyone. For the amount of clangers he had, the amount of times he put the ball to our advantage is more than sufficient. Of course, you wouldn't recognise this...that means Walker was good.

I cringe? No I don't. I rise with excitement at another thrust forward into our forward line. Don't you? Maybe not, you're a North supporter, you may have different expectations of your team-but we expect to score and outscore the opponent. That's normally how you win a game of footy

Walker has nearly double the errors Wells has and Wells has more possies.

Whats your excuse this time?

 

[Pykie]

How does our player getting the ball help us? Please tell me you are not seriously asking this...

Increased possessions usually lead to increased clangers. Just part of the game. Walker had clangers, but so does everyone. For the amount of clangers he had, the amount of times he put the ball to our advantage is more than sufficient. Of course, you wouldn't recognise this...that means Walker was good.

I cringe? No I don't. I rise with excitement at another thrust forward into our forward line. Don't you? Maybe not, you're a North supporter, you may have different expectations of your team-but we expect to score and outscore the opponent. That's normally how you win a game of footy

Thats very rich coming from a team that has won 20 out of 110 games over the last 5 years, 5.5 wins a year, you sure do it well!

 

[trueblue_91]

So in the end whats more vaulable?

Winning games or saving them?

Easy question isnt it Jerry?

ask leo barry he did both

 

[Wilbur35]

Carlton supporters are kidding themselves. Wells by a street.

 

[Benno_900]

Is this a thread to see which poster can post the most in a row?

For the record, CrazyQ is leading with 5 posts in a row.

 

[kelman]

Is there really debate on this?

The only argument that the Blues fans are using is that because Walker improved by more this year, due to the fact he was pretty bad last year and despite the fact he is still inferior in every catergory, he must be better?

That is a really bad argument.

Why don't you just say Walker is going to tag Wells out of a game so is better?

And Rawlings is better than Judd by the same logic.


No-one would take Walker over Wells.

 

[Jeremias]

Walker did not DESTROY any of those opponents while dominating.

You stated Walker regularly does this, how is playing ok on average players got anything to dow ith this?

I could show you a game where Wells gets 17 possies and plays very well, but thats besides the point.

Oh, but that isn't what you asked me to do. You asked me to show you when Walker got more than 20 possessions and held his opponent to less.

I did.

It's very easy to change your argument when you have been proven wrong, isn't it CrazyQ?

 

[Jeremias]

Thats very rich coming from a team that has won 20 out of 110 games over the last 5 years, 5.5 wins a year, you sure do it well!

We are bad, and we admit that. Roos fans don't admit it.

See the difference?

 

[Jeremias]

Walker has nearly double the errors Wells has and Wells has more possies.

Whats your excuse this time?

Wells has more possies because he plays in the midfield.

I wouldn't have thought that would be such a hard concept to understand

The amount of pressure Walker is under, providing drive out of defense is immense. Is Wells the same? NO. Who do you expect to have more errors: a midfielder, or a running defender constantly under enormous pressure?

 

[Jeremias]

Once again, you didnt read what i said...

You are more valuable if you are more damaging, and if you disagree with that you are very stupid.

More valuable=more damaging? Is Fletcher more valuable to the Eagles than Glass?

Definitely not.

You didn't think out that argument very well